Quote (OsD @ Mar 29 2013 09:50pm)

I would like to point out, We don't know if Tobirama actually took out Izuna, Not only that, to get EMS Madara took Izuna's eyes, which already left him at a SEVERE disadvantage.

That being said Tobirama and Hashirama might possibly be equals in prestige and ninja godliness, but it is clear that Hashirama is the better fighter. That being said, Tobirama is probably the king of utility ninjas. Invented a flying thundergod and Edo tensei. I believe someone asked earlier if Tobirama could break his own jutsu. Itachi said it before, every jutsu has a weakness, and who better to know the weakness then tobirama himself. It wouldn't be a suprise to me if he broke the spell.

I look at Tobirama and Hashirama kinda like The 3rd hokage and Danzo. The shadow of the leaf of the king, that does the dirty work.

You can't consider them equals because there are to many ways you could rate these guys
Terms of combat? Hashirama
Terms of speed and assassination capability: Tobirama
Best leader? Hashirama
Best War General? Tobirama

In the end, there is no "strongest ninja", simply who excels best at the current situation.

Quote (Juicy_J @ Mar 29 2013 09:34pm)

We may never know for sure, but that's what the hints are for. We know that the second hokage was extremely powerful and we can assume that he would give Madara a great fight. That's fair. We don't know for sure the gaps between Tobirama, Hashirama, Izuna and Madara, but given what we do know, I think the safest assumption is definitely Hashirama >>>>> Madara >>>> Tobirama > Izuna. Madara knew that Hashirama was the ONLY person that could stand in his way which is why he engaged him in that fight. Their fights are noted to be on their own level.

Quote (Charity @ 29 Mar 2013 22:28)

Agree it is just speculation but you made it seem far fetched when i first mentioned it. Thats just it we only know bits about the 2nd as opposed to madara and the first. The 2nd not only beat izuna who at that point should have been an equal to madara (dont see why he would fall off in training etc this is ofc if what itachi said was true seeing as how obito and prolly madara had different takes) but he also witnessed madara in EMS and was going to deliver the finishing blow had his "i have a HUGE boner for this guy so dont kill him brother who only married mito because madara rejected him expect the same from naruto.end rant and aka of the 1st hokage".  Now again he has no idea about rinnegan + wood + kabuto but EMS madara he did witness and believed he was needed to end this because his brother wouldnt.

Quote (OsD @ Mar 29 2013 04:50pm)

I would like to point out, We don't know if Tobirama actually took out Izuna, Not only that, to get EMS Madara took Izuna's eyes, which already left him at a SEVERE disadvantage.

Quote (Cyba @ 31 Mar 2013 00:26)

not sure who you're talking to or what question you're answering since you didn't quote anything, and not to mention your use of pronouns didn't really reference a clear antecedent, i'm guessing you're saying that izuna had a disadvantage against tobirama? if so, izuna didn't lose his eye until he was about to die

Quote (undead_lord @ Apr 3 2013 02:08am)

3 min ago new chapter

and it is pretty quick/crap

Quote (undead_lord @ 3 Apr 2013 03:08)

3 min ago new chapter

and it is pretty quick/crap

Quote (Juicy_J @ Apr 3 2013 03:10pm)

I liked it. Gave closure to how Hashirama and Madara's story went down. Oh and that last page was huge. Next chapter, maybe two, we will probably learn what Sasuke is going to do. From what I gathered from that translation, Hashirama told Sasuke that he has to make difficult decisions and do whatever he thinks he needs to do to achieve his goals. My guess is that Sasuke is going full evil now.