Chapter was good imo

They are friends, and rivals. Given the chance; I doubt Madara would want, Hasirama to kill himself. It'd be a real battle to the death regardless, not some cop-out suicide shit.

Its not a matter of "if" to me.. there would be no reason for the 4 former hokages to be revived just to tell a story and be undone.. they WILL be seeing some action.
More than likely fighting Naruto so him and daddy can have some "my my you sure have grown.. I love you son" moment and naruto can unlock his rinnegan

hrm big difference BIG DIFFERENCE sure ebisu fought pain to protect konohamaru and konohamaru did it for ebisu.. along with hinata for naruto etc however these people are protecting villages or on missions for said villages.

the 2nd is a corpse who is clearly under the control of orochimaru as far as we know and yet he is still hellbent on facing madara instead of telling his brother, who has a softspot kinda like naruto and sasuke gay shit, to go ahead and take him out. but yeah he care way to much about madara its like a different itachi(itachi doesnt mind naruto is gay for sasuke but the 2nd may be a bit jealous that the 1st is gay for madara)

it was a while ago but yeah they definitely said izuna and madara were equals....yes madara has the ems but i do believe he had it when he fought them again and the 2nd was going to stab him(real ninja shit lol) but yeah the 2nd took out izuna so im not so sure that the levels are that much a part and even then konohamaru took out a pain :p.

as much as i think the 2nd is a badass even without any real feats of strength to talk about.(killed izuna dunno exact situation, edo tensei, sensory, flying thunder god shit :P) he does seem to let his guard down for someone who is a sensory ninja as yet again he didnt notice something amiss while talking to his brother and madara was prolly listening. so as stern as he is i do believe his battle SENSE is lower than his brother along with madara and prolly izuna.

This post was edited by Charity on Mar 27 2013 07:43pm

tobirama... sigh.

I don't recall them stating that Izuna and Madara were equals. I'd have to see that. The second is probably outclassed by the first in every way, though he may be more capable with sensing people. Maybe Madara was just that sneaky. Either way, doesn't matter, Madara was just eavesdropping, that was the point.

the recurring theme of friends becoming enemies is predictable but enjoyable throughout the series

naruto susuke
jiraya orochimaru
and now madara hashirama

Kakashi - Obito

Protagonist V Antagonist. It's the basis of every story. xD



^^^ This guy is correct. They never stated that they were completely equal. In the manga, they said that Madara and Izuna were at the top of their clan. This could mean Izuna is
2nd to Madara, because in this case, he would still be above the rest.

It's hard to compare they two when they have different strengths.
The 1st can use wood element (capable of stopping the most powerful of attacks), and he also possesses a godlike chakra pool (not counting his sage mode).
The 2nd can use Flying Thunder God-- granting him intense speed and assassination capabilities. Pair that with his Bringer-of-darkness technique, and he could fatally
injure someone without them laying a single punch. Moreover, the 2nd can use Edo Tensei. This means he wouldn't even have to fight someone head-on unless it's
necessary.

At this point, we can only assume that the 1st was stronger simply because he was the head of his clan. Although, we have yet to see a fully-powered 2nd Hokage.
We have no idea just how powerful he was towards the end of his life.

This post was edited by xXLiLitalyXx on Mar 28 2013 12:15pm

They gave us a few moments that showed us that Tobirama was below Hashirama. Like when Tobirama was about to attack Sasuke and when he was about to kill Madara. Hashirama put on the serious face and roused his chakra which backed Tobirama off right away, lol. This flashback only strengthens the notion that Hashirama was the king of all ninja. I think it's clear now that he was the strongest to ever live besides the sage of 6 paths. They've implied the second was really strong, too...but a few steps below Hashirama. I mean, he did take out Izuna. Not to mention all the other stuff they've mentioned he was capable of that you pointed out.