Quote (Charity @ Oct 11 2012 01:15am)

Hrm pretty sure it went from 2 tomoe to 3 tomoe then to MS no clue if senju had anything to do with that where as obitos frame of mind did. he was going out their to save both of them and he saw one of them piercing the other... i do believe that is the way or one of the ways for the MS to be activated.

We dont know what that suit on obito is capable of because from what weve seen from the grown obito it doesnt compare. he's not using any of the wood jutsu (this may not be true but i wont check to confirm atm) vs 4 crazy strong characters but ofc a few more chapters will confirm if he can use it without the suit.

going to go with another pretty sure kakashi fell out because he's non uchiha and it was his first time experiencing a tomoe growth as well as a MS one where as obito is a uchiha so their is no real way at this time to tell if it was one side or the other or both them working in tandem.

obito has some freaking explaining to do he faced the 4th in what seemed like a piss poor attempt he also let a lot of konoha forces live. so i am going with kabuto on this where he told madara obito might not be with the plan. my guess is obito knows the truth (maybe even itachi and they worked out a plan together) and was actually trying to hinder madara but madara being the reason for obitos body has some failsafe in place. obito didnt kill konoha forces when he clearly could have(when sasuke and itachi fought he should have taken  the kyuubi then and taken out all of konoha present). he didnt monitor negato at all have the black zetsu or himself on hand to prevent that silly resurrection. he knew madara was resurrected and tried to do an incomplete 10th summoning claiming it makes no difference outside of chakra i assume but this is a bit silly seeing as how once the 10th is summoned he can easily overpower anyone anything and take back his "own". anywho eitherway kishi is on the right path! this is a great read

Quote (Charity @ 11 Oct 2012 00:15)

Hrm pretty sure it went from 2 tomoe to 3 tomoe then to MS no clue if senju had anything to do with that where as obitos frame of mind did. he was going out their to save both of them and he saw one of them piercing the other... i do believe that is the way or one of the ways for the MS to be activated.

We dont know what that suit on obito is capable of because from what weve seen from the grown obito it doesnt compare. he's not using any of the wood jutsu (this may not be true but i wont check to confirm atm) vs 4 crazy strong characters but ofc a few more chapters will confirm if he can use it without the suit.

going to go with another pretty sure kakashi fell out because he's non uchiha and it was his first time experiencing a tomoe growth as well as a MS one where as obito is a uchiha so their is no real way at this time to tell if it was one side or the other or both them working in tandem.

obito has some freaking explaining to do he faced the 4th in what seemed like a piss poor attempt he also let a lot of konoha forces live. so i am going with kabuto on this where he told madara obito might not be with the plan. my guess is obito knows the truth (maybe even itachi and they worked out a plan together) and was actually trying to hinder madara but madara being the reason for obitos body has some failsafe in place. obito didnt kill konoha forces when he clearly could have(when sasuke and itachi fought he should have taken  the kyuubi then and taken out all of konoha present). he didnt monitor negato at all have the black zetsu or himself on hand to prevent that silly resurrection. he knew madara was resurrected and tried to do an incomplete 10th summoning claiming it makes no difference outside of chakra i assume but this is a bit silly seeing as how once the 10th is summoned he can easily overpower anyone anything and take back his "own". anywho eitherway kishi is on the right path! this is a great read

Quote (Juicy_J @ Oct 11 2012 09:39am)

Agree with this pretty much. A few panels prior to their awakening, it showed Obito with 2 tomoes. During the whole transformation a third one was just added as it took shape, so I guess it's right to say he went from 2 to 3 (really quick) and then to MS, lol. Like I said before, minor detail. But who knows, maybe even separated sharingan will awaken the MS in tandem no matter what.

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Quote (Juicy_J @ Oct 11 2012 10:38am)

I'm wondering why Kakashi can't or won't do the dematerialize thing. My guess is that he didn't know that he could but it would be awesome if he just started using it out of the blue, imo. Obito pulled that technique right out of his ass when he got it.

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Quote (Juicy_J @ Oct 11 2012 11:36am)

It could be. Personally, I wish Kishi made the sharingan way more exclusive and unique than it actually turned out to be. In the beginning everyone was blown away by its uniqueness and I think Kishi really let its popularity get to his head. I think Tobi would have been a way better villain as an evil Senju as opposed to yet another sharingan-weilding tool. And not only is the sharingan drawn out; it seems like you're not shit in this story unless you have Senju dna spliced into your system somehow.

The sharingan only being used by Itachi, Sasuke, Madara, and Kakashi would have been just fine with me. It's not that so many people use it so much as what he's done with its abilities. We've seen them all so much now that it's really boring. Even the final stage of susanoo was unappealing and uninteresting as hell. It seems like the sharingan has a solution to every last problem you can face in the ninja world now. Did we really need Izanagi and Izanami? Were they not powerful enough already?

Quote (Juicy_J @ Oct 11 2012 10:38am)

I'm wondering why Kakashi can't or won't do the dematerialize thing. My guess is that he didn't know that he could but it would be awesome if he just started using it out of the blue, imo. Obito pulled that technique right out of his ass when he got it.

Quote (nickchoi @ Oct 11 2012 02:50pm)

IMO Kakashi can't do it because it only works on the right eye...
For instance amarutsu, the black flames, only works with itachis/sasuke right eye
And the tuskyumi or however u spell it works with the left eye

In Obitos and Kakashi case
Obito can dematerialze himself or someone with him but he can't dematerialze an object by itself. But Kakashi can

Quote (nickchoi @ Oct 11 2012 03:50pm)

IMO Kakashi can't do it because it only works on the right eye...
For instance amarutsu, the black flames, only works with itachis/sasuke right eye
And the tuskyumi or however u spell it works with the left eye

In Obitos and Kakashi case
Obito can dematerialze himself or someone with him but he can't dematerialze an object by itself. But Kakashi can