Quote (TotallyDelicious @ Sep 7 2012 08:20pm)

2nd raikage is probably the strongest  character in the show period,

he took a full  rasgen sshirkuian to the face  and it didnt even scratch him,  and this was his normal body  not the edo regen bull crap,  the only way naruto was able to hurt him was to reflect his own attack against himself,  this dude uses the same tech as the 3rd raikage the lighting armor to move super fast  and to augment his attacks into piercing attacks  just like kakashi chidori, but he uses all this with the black lighting  im not all to sure how  different black lighting it from normal but its implied it  much stronger  and i i meant to add the 3rd hokage into that last  ,  and no i dont think the 3rd raikage is stronger then guy  and all the dead people im talking about  im using them in there prime  not as edo reborn,  if this was the case the the strongest  character easily will be Dedira  just doing is atomic blast over and over

and  naruto is easily stronger then guy rofl naruto is said to be of comparable speed of minato and minato used  instant teleportation and naruto is simply running im pretty sure  bijuu dama  blast and rasgens are stronger then the morning peacock the fox could up root a whole mountain with its tail and naruto has all that power at his disposal  ,  sasuke meh that was a leap  id assume he will be shown stronger shortly due to plot armor, 

and kakashi is clearly better then guy, guys biggest weapon his his gates,  kakashi is a fucking genius and he has shown to open the first gate  it would be obvious he could open the other 7 if he wanted,  the mother fucker master the shargian by his self with no help from the uchiha clan  that son of a bitch grad the academy at age 5 and became a jonin at 9  the dude is as smart as shikamaru, has a nose as good as kiabis,  has copied over 1000 justsu,  he can use all 4 nature types  plus  yin and yang based attacks,  he can cast some pretty boss gentsu,  he used simple gentsu to put to sleep several members of the anbu black opps root division these anbu are trained like dogs for years and years  and then are forced to fight each other so only the strong live to make into the program,  Fuck dude you might as well rename the whole manga to  Kakashi,  seeing as he the most personal relationship with the final boss tobi/ obito  and has as much plot armor as naruto

Quote (TotallyDelicious @ Sep 7 2012 07:29pm)

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and i made a mistake  i thought the current 4th raikage  was the 3rd rakage and the 3rd raikage as seen above was the 2nd

Quote (OsD @ Sep 7 2012 08:09pm)

i would like to add that a lot of people in this discussion are not giving most of the hokages and other kages the power and respect they deserve
the third was known as a god of ninja during his time, he served under the 1st and 2nd and if he wasnt so damn old he woulda put orochimaru out of business for sure.
the raikages clearly have a strong lineage, whoever said the third raikage was the strongest ninja seen so far, is not to far from the truth. Sure Madara is stronger now but shit, he only gained that strength after stealing some of the first's DNA and then dieing right after. its clear that without the first's cells Madara would not even be close to as strong as he is now.

Another thing, we don't even know the extend of how strong the other kage's of the past are. just because there is no focus on them does not mean they were so far behind the Senju and Uchiha because i would assume they had crazy shit too, thats why they're nations have thrived for so long.

Also Obito was clearly tobi, after Itachi explained the shusui thingy, Obito was the clear answer. I would also like to bring to the table that whoever was the genius that thought Zetsu saved him, deserves an award. he helped me piece that stuff together also. I might even go as far to say that Zetsu is a creation of the rinnegan possibly. or just the first cells mixed with uchiha power or something. but either way pretty badass.

just randomly saying stuff sorry im not up to date. just wanted to spill some thoughts

Quote (TotallyDelicious @ Sep 7 2012 08:48pm)

obito as tobi  while i still hate it and any one would be a better choice became more sensible once i realized  some facts,

Kakashi grad academy at age 5  obito at age 9 rin at age 9  but they were in a team together,  what this means is  kakashi grad the academy in less then a year and skipped a bunch of classes and was thrown on a  older kids team and rin obito are 4 years older then him,  Kakashi took the chunins at age 6  and passed Obito took the same test in the flash backs at age 10 and failed  then re took them a year later and passed,  kakashi spent 7 years years as a chunin until he turned 13 and became a jonin  obito was 17  when this happened, and obito " died at 17"  then obito came back a year later at 18 and attacked the leaf    obito being 18 makes a little more sense then a 14 year old obito successfully fighting off the 4th hokage,  taking complete control of the fox  and such

i know the databooks and such say obito died at 13 and such  but all the information above is cannon,  so what that means  kishi re wrote the history giving kakashi an age boost or  re wrote the history  making rin obito and such younger,  Its obvious  he re wrote the history of several other characters like anko and such  who should of been 2-3 years old during the chunin exams flash back 


point is  kishi doesnt posses a bible for naruto  " a book with a time line of all major plot points  as a reference "  and  he decided to make obito tobi  recently  prob cause his editors and  a large part of the fan base wanted this to happen  so he is  changing the the facts of the story to fit this new theory and attempt to have it make sense , and part of that is to make obito not 13 but 17 in the kakashi gaiden arc

Quote (steaksauce1 @ Sep 7 2012 08:51pm)

Obito was really little to be 17

Not saying you're wrong though, makes sense but eh.

Quote (TotallyDelicious @ Sep 7 2012 08:57pm)

yup it doesnt add up 

the author is changing the story line as he goes 

but we know  kakashi grad age 5 and obito age 9  but they on same team

Quote (TotallyDelicious @ 7 Sep 2012 17:20)

3nd raikage is probably the strongest  character in the show period,

he took a full  rasgen sshirkuian to the face  and it didnt even scratch him,  and this was his normal body  not the edo regen bull crap,  the only way naruto was able to hurt him was to reflect his own attack against himself,  this dude uses the same tech as the 4rd raikage the lighting armor to move super fast  and to augment his attacks into piercing attacks  just like kakashi chidori, but he uses all this with the black lighting  im not all to sure how  different black lighting it from normal but its implied it  much stronger  and i i meant to add the 3rd hokage into that last  ,  and no i dont think the 4th raikage is stronger then guy  and all the dead people im talking about  im using them in there prime  not as edo reborn,  if this was the case the the strongest  character easily will be Dedira  just doing is atomic blast over and over

and  naruto is easily stronger then guy rofl naruto is said to be of comparable speed of minato and minato used  instant teleportation and naruto is simply running im pretty sure  bijuu dama  blast and bijuu dama  rasgens are stronger then the morning peacock the fox could up root a whole mountain with its tail and naruto has all that power at his disposal  ,  sasuke meh that was a leap  id assume he will be shown stronger shortly due to plot armor, 

and kakashi is clearly better then guy, guys biggest weapon his his gates,  kakashi is a fucking genius and he has shown to open the first gate  it would be obvious he could open the other 7 if he wanted,  the mother fucker master the shargian by his self with no help from the uchiha clan  that son of a bitch grad the academy at age 5 and became a jonin at 9  the dude is as smart as shikamaru, has a nose as good as kiabis,  has copied over 1000 justsu,  he can use all 4 nature types  plus  yin and yang based attacks,  he can cast some pretty boss gentsu,  he used simple gentsu to put to sleep several members of the anbu black opps root division these anbu are trained like dogs for years and years  and then are forced to fight each other so only the strong live to make into the program,  Fuck dude you might as well rename the whole manga to  Kakashi,  seeing as he the most personal relationship with the final boss tobi/ obito  and has as much plot armor as naruto

Quote (mcbatch @ Sep 7 2012 11:26pm)

3rd hokage> of all dead shinobi spoken by kishi himself i say no more