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Sep 3 2012 07:37pm
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im going to lol when  600 switches back to the madara vs kage fight


I could see it but seriously that would be about the dumbest thing for Kishimoto to do. I'd actually lose even more respect for him as a writer. There's keeping the suspense of the audience up and then there's Kishimoto's way of dancing around everything for as long as possible leaving multiple questions unanswered.

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Sep 3 2012 08:24pm
600: Madara lets everyone know he's actually Izuna and they switched and the only reason the first beat him was because he had no eyes then he got eyes from the store and got rinnegan and Madara was secretly the second hokage the whole time and the 2nd never died he's actually been hiding the whole time inside his base, a secret spot in the 2nd's face on that monument. STRAIGHT OUTTA LEFT FIELD NEVA SAW IT COMING.
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Sep 3 2012 08:33pm
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600: Madara lets everyone know he's actually Izuna and they switched and the only reason the first beat him was because he had no eyes then he got eyes from the store and got rinnegan and Madara was secretly the second hokage the whole time and the 2nd never died he's actually been hiding the whole time inside his base, a secret spot in the 2nd's face on that monument. STRAIGHT OUTTA LEFT FIELD NEVA SAW IT COMING.


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Sep 4 2012 02:41pm
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Do you guys think there will be more to this than him just being tobi? We know people can go from body to body, perhaps someone is just using his body? I'd like if he were actually obito though... Would give kakashi someone to take down since he can't even come close to madara or sasuke. Also what do you think will happen with kabuto? he's not supersnakeguy anymore he's just regular kabuto(Does he still have snake sage mode?)


Well I said this a few pages back but it got drowned out by the Kakashi/Gai discussion so I guess I'll repost.

In response to a few other comments that I don't feel like quoting, I always wonder why Tobi has hid behind a mask... An explanation of Madara being a more intimidating name is fine up until the point where the war starts, but after that point, his identity isn't important. I feel the mask is hiding something other than that. Whoever fought Minato also used the space-time ninjutsu, so I believe its the same person Naruto is fighting now. At the same time, unless "Obito" was an act from the beginning, and a REALLY good one, that Tobi CAN'T really be Obito.

I think there's a huge element we still don't have, and this isn't as simple as an identity. Its not just going to be an explanation of how it is that Obito became Tobi; this is only a step in this whole process. Keep in mind Kishi says the show should go on for another two years or so. If Tobi was the final boss and then its over, it could be as simple as Tobi=X, but there's more to it.
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Sep 4 2012 03:12pm
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Well I said this a few pages back but it got drowned out by the Kakashi/Gai discussion so I guess I'll repost.

In response to a few other comments that I don't feel like quoting, I always wonder why Tobi has hid behind a mask... An explanation of Madara being a more intimidating name is fine up until the point where the war starts, but after that point, his identity isn't important. I feel the mask is hiding something other than that. Whoever fought Minato also used the space-time ninjutsu, so I believe its the same person Naruto is fighting now. At the same time, unless "Obito" was an act from the beginning, and a REALLY good one, that Tobi CAN'T really be Obito.

I think there's a huge element we still don't have, and this isn't as simple as an identity. Its not just going to be an explanation of how it is that Obito became Tobi; this is only a step in this whole process. Keep in mind Kishi says the show should go on for another two years or so. If Tobi was the final boss and then its over, it could be as simple as Tobi=X, but there's more to it.


Excellent point. However, I think Tobi will go down as a result of this war and there will be more beyond it with Sasuke being the antagonist. Several characters in this show have had to face their old friends, teachers, or students due to corruption. Naruto should be no different despite his all-powerful Talk no Jutsu.

I agree that it's highly probable that Tobi was wearing a mask for purposes that go beyond simply his identity.
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Sep 4 2012 03:37pm
Tobi is a good boy
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Sep 4 2012 06:25pm
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Excellent point. However, I think Tobi will go down as a result of this war and there will be more beyond it with Sasuke being the antagonist. Several characters in this show have had to face their old friends, teachers, or students due to corruption. Naruto should be no different despite his all-powerful Talk no Jutsu.

I agree that it's highly probable that Tobi was wearing a mask for purposes that go beyond simply his identity.


I see what you mean about Sasuke. I'm not ready to make predictions on that one yet though. Its also easy to say that since Naruto is trying to repair this cycle of hatred, he will have to turn Sasuke (inb4gayjokes).
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Sep 4 2012 06:41pm
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I see what you mean about Sasuke. I'm not ready to make predictions on that one yet though. Its also easy to say that since Naruto is trying to repair this cycle of hatred, he will have to turn Sasuke (inb4gayjokes).


I agree; I think there's more development to happen between Naruto and Sasuke before they meet for sure. I expect them both to get even more powered up. I don't think it's crazy to say Sasuke is going to get the Rinnegan, especially if he's to become the final antagonist of the series to be defeated by Naruto. Hell, Naruto looks like he's in line to get some Rikudo Sennin-related powerup, too.

I would be really disappointed if they didn't fight. Sasuke has already killed people, including the interim Hokage, whilst also making attempts on the lives of 2 other kage. The rest of Naruto's friends and village have resolved to see him die. Plus, Kishi has purposely designed them to be almost perfect rivals, especially with their chakra and personalities being basically the complete opposite of the other's. They're the living embodiment of the feud that has gone on between their respective clans (well, Naruto's related to the Senju, close enough). Not to mention they've already had it out a couple times. The conflict between them is probably the biggest focal point of the story. I, amongst many others I'm sure, will be very disappointed if those 2 do not have an earth-shattering, mountain-busting, life-changing battle.
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Sep 4 2012 06:53pm
Quote (Juicy_J @ Sep 4 2012 07:41pm)
I agree; I think there's more development to happen between Naruto and Sasuke before they meet for sure. I expect them both to get even more powered up. I don't think it's crazy to say Sasuke is going to get the Rinnegan, especially if he's to become the final antagonist of the series to be defeated by Naruto. Hell, Naruto looks like he's in line to get some Rikudo Sennin-related powerup, too.

I would be really disappointed if they didn't fight. Sasuke has already killed people, including the interim Hokage, whilst also making attempts on the lives of 2 other kage. The rest of Naruto's friends and village have resolved to see him die. Plus, Kishi has purposely designed them to be almost perfect rivals, especially with their chakra and personalities being basically the complete opposite of the other's. They're the living embodiment of the feud that has gone on between their respective clans (well, Naruto's related to the Senju, close enough). Not to mention they've already had it out a couple times. The conflict between them is probably the biggest focal point of the story. I, amongst many others I'm sure, will be very disappointed if those 2 do not have an earth-shattering, mountain-busting, life-changing battle.


Yeah I completely agree about the rinnegan. It seems obvious it has to happen at this point. My friend Nolan gave me an interesting idea a while back, which was that Sasuke would pull a darth vadar and sacrifice himself to save Naruto. The theory was aimed towards a fight with Tobi, but I can see that happening later on in the series, now that we know its not as close to complete as we originally thought. I think Sasuke will continue to be a second antagonist, and Orochimaru will take Tobi's spot as the original one, but I think Sasuke will become much more involved. It IS the focal point of the series, and I felt like there was a long period of time where we didn't see much of Sasuke, or he felt a little more alien. I think he is going to play a huge role in the next few segments of the series.

I want them to fight but I don't want it to be a fight to the death. Every encounter they have has been very limited in the fighting, and a clash between them is inevitable. But before the end I would like to see Sasuke die saving Naruto, realizing that HE was the one who truly cared about Sasuke. His crimes at this point cannot be forgiven, so he has to die, but I want him to die "Good."
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Sep 4 2012 08:16pm
Hrm i believe tobi is either a senju or uchiha or some other of the 6 sage descendent due to the sharingan. Either he is a senju in that he can activate and deactivate his eye unlike kakashi who has to keep it hidden or he is a uchiha and always has it active. Unlike the byakugen that it seems once you know the activation sequence or w/e you can use it such as that water dude ao i think. but the sharingan sees to be a genetic trait meaning if its transplanted when the sharingan isnt activated i dont believe any joe blow could activate it.

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Yeah I completely agree about the rinnegan. It seems obvious it has to happen at this point. My friend Nolan gave me an interesting idea a while back, which was that Sasuke would pull a darth vadar and sacrifice himself to save Naruto. The theory was aimed towards a fight with Tobi, but I can see that happening later on in the series, now that we know its not as close to complete as we originally thought. I think Sasuke will continue to be a second antagonist, and Orochimaru will take Tobi's spot as the original one, but I think Sasuke will become much more involved. It IS the focal point of the series, and I felt like there was a long period of time where we didn't see much of Sasuke, or he felt a little more alien. I think he is going to play a huge role in the next few segments of the series.

I want them to fight but I don't want it to be a fight to the death. Every encounter they have has been very limited in the fighting, and a clash between them is inevitable. But before the end I would like to see Sasuke die saving Naruto, realizing that HE was the one who truly cared about Sasuke. His crimes at this point cannot be forgiven, so he has to die, but I want him to die "Good."


hrm they really started off to slow to go ahead and give sasuke a rinnegan a timeskip should happen or something cause madara is clearly leagues above anyone same with itachi shisui (who didnt unlock it) only unlocked it upon his death. even with oro/kabuto's research it still seems out of place that this generation is above the last. i dont even think the previous generation kakashi them except gai ofc is above minato those. anywho it is a manga

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