True true.

in the naruto world if you run out of chakara 100% you die,

so if kakashi overused his chakara he could be in a life and death situation,

But i cant see kakashi dieing from chakara exhaustion, its a boring way to die for a character kishi enjoys so much

This post was edited by TotallyDelicious on Aug 25 2012 03:54pm

i have a feeling sasuke is going to show up next chapter

This post was edited by Konvicted08 on Aug 25 2012 04:37pm

Like I said, I already acknowledged that we could find out the other truths about Kakashi without him being alive. The fact is, you don't have any other evidence either besides "it's a manga" which I've already acknowledged. And truthfully, I don't have any other evidence other than the fact that the subject hasn't been brought up to or by anyone else. So in short, we're basically at a stalemate due to unknown information (being whether or not someone else knows the answers to those Kakashi-related questions) and to be honest either one of our conclusions are very plausible.

Yeah, you don't need Kakashi to land the hit and Minato "beat" him with speed but that doesn't change the fact that the only hits they've landed on him were because of Kakashi. Without him, yeah I'm confident that they would land something eventually but they probably wouldn't have done so half as easily and they could further exhaust themselves in the process. And how do you know that Naruto, Bee and Gai WOULDN'T be struggling without Kakashi there? That point is just as impossible to prove, don't try it. Just because they're all fast doesn't mean they can just batter Tobi around. They're not doing so right now, even with Kakashi there. Why is it so hard to fathom that Kakashi is a vital part of the story, much more so than Gai?

And you're right, this Madara > himself at the time where he fought Hashirama. Madara with the Rinnegan might beat Hashirama but even now Madara kept saying "only Hashirama can defeat me" so that's all speculation, too. IMO, this Madara minus the wood release would probably beat Hashirama. But hey, maybe there's some way for the Senju side to get the Rinnegan too O_o I hope so.

what if tobi is rin? she coulda tooken his eyes since she knew how to implant them into kakashi o.O?

Assuming she did that when no one was around, sure, why not.

easily? you call kakashi being half dead easily? you mean the same kakashi who you claim is vital to this fight but seems like he cant even perform anymore? Hrm?~!~ if thats the case we can remove any of the 4 and say the other 3 would be dead. naruto stopped the 5 bijuu bomb thing(arguably gai could have stopped it with 8 gates and maybe even tobi but die in the process leaving 2 alive :p) remove gai naruto would be dead cause he was saved in the beginning from being absorbed by tobi by kakashi and gai more so since the attack was what made him go to the other dimension i fail atm to remember what bee did to save others but it seems like bee and kakashi could be removed and have the remaining 2 alive at this point

so yeah even with kakashi they are still struggling and imo he's the least needed in this fight score 1 for stamina!

i never once said in a serious manner(it escapes me if i even said it as a joke) that gai > kakashi story wise. i do however frequently state gai > kakashi battle wise and going by this war in terms of actual battling i would take gai his experience with even keeping kakashi among others focused is top notch i also frequently say SPECULATION! although i do use some facts to back it without an actual fight by kishi such as the 1st vs madara and madara claiming without a doubt the 1st> him

so yeah dont twist my words i simply argued that kakashi wasnt needed for a background on how he obtained anything FACT

and that he is currently exhausted physically FACT

This post was edited by Charity on Aug 25 2012 06:14pm

Ehhh, I guess. The more I think about it, the more I feel as though Tobi's identity is going to have something to do with Kakashi specifically, maybe even pertaining to Rin (whether it is or isn't Obito). I dunno, I'm getting the feeling that Kakashi and Gai were written into this battle because of that.



I know you didn't say it seriously. I get that. That's why I bought into this whole discussion, lol. And no, hitting Tobi isn't easy to begin with, as shown by Kakashi being keeled over with his eye bleeding. It would be even harder without him there though. Though, I'm not sure that any of them are the "least needed". Kakashi has the smarts, even if he can't fight. He could come up with a better strategy than the other 3 combined if he was in a coma.

But in a fight...I'm taking Kakashi > Gai. I just think Kakashi is too diverse for Gai to beat in a 1v1 fight to the death. Plus, there's a reason that he was the next choice for Hokage

This post was edited by Juicy_J on Aug 25 2012 06:17pm

im not saying that kakashi is weak and yes he seems more suitable to be hokage than gai but we clearly see in the case of the 5th hokage maybe even the 2nd that the hokage definitely arent always the strongest in the village

Kakashi's big brain required luck to figure out that his and tobi's jutsu uses the same dimension and that it was just 1 jutsu tobi used outside of that his regretful nature made him lose focus on the fight

with gai stamina and sharingan knowledge along with experience( i had thought with his intellect in the databook he just fought with brute strenght but this war definitely shows him in a new light) i definitely say he takes kakashi in a spar or serious fight

This post was edited by Charity on Aug 25 2012 06:25pm

Well I don't doubt that. I don't think Kakashi would be able to beat Gai effortlessly or anything. Gai would find ways to get in close in order to use his taijutsu. And hey, he may have lost focus but right after that he used Kamui to let Naruto bust that mask off.