sure would have to see exactly what he said but either way imperfect in context can simply mean weaker watered downed w/e its basically like juicy has said a weaker izanagi so from that we can make the educated guess that anyone with a sharingan and the know how can use izanagi even if the sharingan is implanted in their toe

my guess is that the whole itachi izanmai izanagi explanation most of them using izanagi were using the incomplete form unless they were just lucky to be born with senju dna i believe shisui is one of these cases

This post was edited by Charity on Aug 23 2012 02:06pm

Well as far as I know, you need both powers, I never saw anything saying regular Uchiha people used it.

well actually you are correct we can assume that all those users of izanagi that itachi mentioned were part senju too

Yay

its highly unlikely but i assume like tobi or the real madara collected the 1st dna in their fight. all those fights that the senju and uchiha fought when there were no villages some uchiha and some senju could have obtained the others dna in some way shape or form

and i didnt mean to say you are correct but only that you could be correct and senju dna is needed to activate even an incomplete form of izanagi since the 2 users of izanagi both had it

shisui should have used it and not died like he did



chapter 587 is where itachi mentions izanagi users he never made mention of senju being required for izanagi usage but yeah

but going by itachis tone it seems that just about every uchiha or sharingan possessor could use the technique cause it seems like they were giving up their eyes right and left to use izanagi on the battle field

This post was edited by Charity on Aug 23 2012 02:18pm

I read the chapter. I think Madara might've used it against Hashirama once, but I could be mistaken. So, if they could spam it back then and they can't now. The only thing I could think of is that the Uchiha originally had Senju DNA also, but as the family tree descended they lost more and more Senju power, so now some can use it only once. Maybe sasukes generation can no longer use those powers?

This post was edited by steaksauce1 on Aug 23 2012 02:30pm

http://www.mangahere.com/manga/naruto/v60/c587/3.html

His explanation starts there.

senju power were used only to increase the chakra store not to active izanagi , for a non uchiha to have that many sharingans and use izanagi would been quite impossible.. ( take kakashi , non senju with a sharingan.... he is limited ). A guy like naruto doesnt need a senju dna , cuss of the mass chakra of the uzumakis.. and the kyuby , but i supose we will never see naruto with sharingan or rinegan xD

All I'm sayin is, as an example. Who's to say Nagato's mom didn't have an affair with Tobi since Tobi claims to have given him those eyes. I'm ready for Naruto to end, too many questions.

Nah if that were the case in all 587 chapters no mention of a senju who had uchiha dna and therefore a sharingan



this is still puzzling as to why negato went straight to the rinnegan(btw he was a uzumaki) and was shown to have no uchiha powers even though he knew about the stone



kakashi doesnt seem to he limited, susano is a rarity and i assume the black flame and genjutsu are just more common however eyes just didnt get any and like how shisui got that amazing genjutsu its just dependent on the original eye possessor

hrm chakra store? no clue what you mean i believe senju is just 1 half of a whole when it comes to the uchiha and senju it should be vice versa too

also like i said negato was an uzumaki and he had the rinnegan so maybe senju could get the rinnegan themselves without the need of a sharingan