d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > Entertainment Room > Anime > Latest Naruto Manga Discussion > Post Yer Thoughts!
Prev1170517061707170817092285Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 11,639
Joined: Jul 27 2010
Gold: 1,929.75
Aug 23 2012 01:07pm
Quote (Juicy_J @ Aug 23 2012 01:59pm)
The first's cells extended the duration of it.


I don't think it works like that.. You have to have the Uchiha and Senju in you. Idk where you guys got that it's a Uchiha only skill.
Member
Posts: 14,897
Joined: Feb 3 2008
Gold: 318.00
Aug 23 2012 01:41pm
Quote (steaksauce1 @ 23 Aug 2012 14:07)
I don't think it works like that.. You have to have the Uchiha and Senju in you. Idk where you guys got that it's a Uchiha only skill.


So, I read the 2 wiki articles on Izanagi to see what they said. Turns out one of them said that you can use it as long as you have a Sharingan to sacrifice. So I guess I might have missed something in the manga or something like that...or like you said, it was just assumed and never explained. The other one says that to make "full use" of Izanagi, one should have Senju DNA in them. So, you're right, Izanagi is Uchiha (Sharingan) exclusive. I know there's a reason I thought otherwise but I can't remember it. I'll have to think back to what I read...probably just a brain fart but I don't know. Was never really concerned with this technicality in the story. I'm still indifferent.

However, I'm almost positive that you don't need Senju dna. Remember when Itachi was explaining Izanami and why it was created to Sasuke? He mentioned that the Uchiha were abusing and misusing the powers granted by Izanagi at one point, which led to the creation of Izanami to counterbalance it. Wouldn't make much sense that multiple Uchiha in the clan just 'happened' to have Senju dna in them.

This post was edited by Juicy_J on Aug 23 2012 01:42pm
Member
Posts: 49,367
Joined: Apr 1 2009
Gold: Locked
Aug 23 2012 01:42pm
Is shisuis eye still in naruto?
Member
Posts: 11,639
Joined: Jul 27 2010
Gold: 1,929.75
Aug 23 2012 01:45pm
Quote (Juicy_J @ Aug 23 2012 02:41pm)
So, I read the 2 wiki articles on Izanagi to see what they said. Turns out one of them said that you can use it as long as you have a Sharingan to sacrifice. So I guess I might have missed something in the manga or something like that...or like you said, it was just assumed and never explained. The other one says that to make "full use" of Izanagi, one should have Senju DNA in them. So, you're right, Izanagi is Uchiha (Sharingan) exclusive. I know there's a reason I thought otherwise but I can't remember it. I'll have to think back to what I read...probably just a brain fart but I don't know. Was never really concerned with this technicality in the story. I'm still indifferent.

However, I'm almost positive that you don't need Senju dna. Remember when Itachi was explaining Izanami and why it was created to Sasuke? He mentioned that the Uchiha were abusing and misusing the powers granted by Izanagi at one point, which led to the creation of Izanami to counterbalance it. Wouldn't make much sense that multiple Uchiha in the clan just 'happened' to have Senju dna in them.


I don't remember any of that. I remember tobi explaining that you can only use Izanagi with the power of six paths, which Danzo kinda had.
Member
Posts: 14,897
Joined: Feb 3 2008
Gold: 318.00
Aug 23 2012 01:49pm
Quote (steaksauce1 @ 23 Aug 2012 14:45)
I don't remember any of that. I remember tobi explaining that you can only use Izanagi with the power of six paths, which Danzo kinda had.


Well I don't see how the power of the six paths or Senju are required when it was noted that multiple Uchiha abused it in the past. I also don't recall Tobi explaining that. Was that around the time of Danzo's fight?
Member
Posts: 19,442
Joined: May 26 2006
Gold: 57,800.00
Aug 23 2012 01:52pm
Quote (Juicy_J @ Aug 23 2012 10:38am)
Like I said, logic is out the window. He only activated his MS for the sake of showing it.


when he used whatever technique it is to go into whatever dimension his eye was never shown so that technique can be completely different and he only just now used kamui as to why he went MS

you and this logic thing doesnt have a backing(as of yet) either way his eye wasnt shown when using w/e jutsu he used before
Quote (paradoxlol @ Aug 23 2012 10:42am)
I don't think it is obito but someone who transplanted his eye, Because Tobi used Izanagi which needs both Uchiha and Senju cells to even use. Either way his identity is going to be a slap in the face when he is truly revealed.  :D


nah you need a sharinghan that is all you need to activate izanagi once you know the technique (maybe 3 tamoe too)

just like how the tablet required levels of the sharinghan, the senju dna only "completes" izanagi and makes it whole

in konans fight with tobi he explained danzo's was incomplete that could be because he didnt have a uchiha body even though he had the 1st cells

so yes an incomplete version of izanagi should only require control of a sharingan with maybe 3tomoes and the knowledge on how to use/activate it. same with izanami i assume

This post was edited by Charity on Aug 23 2012 01:54pm
Member
Posts: 11,639
Joined: Jul 27 2010
Gold: 1,929.75
Aug 23 2012 01:53pm
Quote (Juicy_J @ Aug 23 2012 02:49pm)
Well I don't see how the power of the six paths or Senju are required when it was noted that multiple Uchiha abused it in the past. I also don't recall Tobi explaining that. Was that around the time of Danzo's fight?


Uh no, when he used it against Konan. "The Izanagi... In exchange for losing sight in that eye, a user can tie together illusion and reality. It's a forbidden jutsu of the Uchiha. Only those who possess the powers of the Uchiha and Senju can use this forbidden jutsu."

It's a ying-yang release.
Member
Posts: 19,442
Joined: May 26 2006
Gold: 57,800.00
Aug 23 2012 01:55pm
Quote (steaksauce1 @ Aug 23 2012 03:53pm)
Uh no, when he used it against Konan. "The Izanagi... In exchange for losing sight in that eye, a user can tie together illusion and reality. It's a forbidden jutsu of the Uchiha. Only those who possess the powers of the Uchiha and Senju can use this forbidden jutsu."

It's a ying-yang release.


pretty sure he states something like FULL use of the jutsu as he definitely says danzo used an incomplete form of izanagi

however if we are talking only about usage then i assume kakashi could use it he shouldnt have senju dna nor uchiha dna outside of the eye. now that i think about it it would give tobi more of a super villain feel if kakashi were to use izanagi and lose kamui

This post was edited by Charity on Aug 23 2012 01:59pm
Member
Posts: 14,897
Joined: Feb 3 2008
Gold: 318.00
Aug 23 2012 01:57pm
Quote (Charity @ 23 Aug 2012 14:52)
when he used whatever technique it is to go into whatever dimension his eye was never shown so that technique can be completely different and he only just now used kamui as to why he went MS

you and this logic thing doesnt have a backing(as of yet) either way his eye wasnt shown when using w/e jutsu he used before

nah you need a sharinghan  that is all you need to activate izanagi once you know the technique (maybe 3 tamoe too)

just like how the tablet required levels of the sharinghan, the senju dna only "completes" izanagi and makes it whole


Whatever Tobi did to avoid that tailed beast ball didn't look any different than what he's already done dozens of times to avoid attacks. Looks like he just phased through it like normal. Not sure if it was called Kamui or not, but I'm not sure it matters. He put his body in another dimention to get Rasengan'd in the face by Naruto.

And yes. From the looks of it, a Sharingan is all that's required to use it. I think the consensus is that non-Uchiha who have Sharingans and use it do so in a much weaker form, which is where the Senju dna helps them out so much.

Quote (steaksauce1 @ 23 Aug 2012 14:53)
Uh no, when he used it against Konan. "The Izanagi... In exchange for losing sight in that eye, a user can tie together illusion and reality. It's a forbidden jutsu of the Uchiha. Only those who possess the powers of the Uchiha and Senju can use this forbidden jutsu."

It's a ying-yang release.


Like I said, that doesn't explain how multiple Uchiha were able to spam this technique.

This post was edited by Juicy_J on Aug 23 2012 01:58pm
Member
Posts: 11,639
Joined: Jul 27 2010
Gold: 1,929.75
Aug 23 2012 01:57pm
Quote (Charity @ Aug 23 2012 02:55pm)
pretty sure he states something like FULL use of the jutsu as he definitely says danzo used and incomplete one


He said Danzo couldn't master Hashiramas power, so he tried to use an imperfect Izanagi.


Quote (Juicy_J @ Aug 23 2012 02:57pm)
Like I said, that doesn't explain how multiple Uchiha were able to spam this technique.


Iso where it says this.

This post was edited by steaksauce1 on Aug 23 2012 02:00pm
Go Back To Anime Topic List
Prev1170517061707170817092285Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll