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Aug 23 2012 09:17am
Quote (rinirax @ 23 Aug 2012 10:12)
so how can a guy withouth uchiha dna use izanagi ?


He would in theory have to have a genetic trait of the Senju to be able to use it I guess. Like I said, I don't think it's exclusive to the Uchiha (or anyone with a Sharingan really) but then again I don't know of the conditions of its use that would apply to a Senju using it. Though, we've been given no indication that Senjus can't use it and I'm sure we won't either. The Senju are gone and I don't anticipate this technique coming back with any sort of significance or further explanation. I'm pretty sure everyone is content to keep their Sharingans now.
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Aug 23 2012 09:28am
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He would in theory have to have a genetic trait of the Senju to be able to use it I guess. Like I said, I don't think it's exclusive to the Uchiha (or anyone with a Sharingan really) but then again I don't know of the conditions of its use that would apply to a Senju using it. Though, we've been given no indication that Senjus can't use it and I'm sure we won't either. The Senju are gone and I don't anticipate this technique coming back with any sort of significance or further explanation. I'm pretty sure everyone is content to keep their Sharingans now.


of all the theories and unexplained stuff we have right now, this is possibly the dumbest thing ive read in months.
the uchiha suddenly started surviving lethal attacks and the senju didnt try to copy that technique ?
izanagi is a technique linked to the sharingan. nothing else.
tsunade, karin, naruto or kushina all have/had some kind of senju dna in them and you dont see them using izanagi.
hell, even the hyuuga clan has a form of uchiha dna in them and you dont see them running around unkillable.
i see that you are the kind of guy that wants to know everything and likes to fantisize about possible outcomes, but we have to put a stop right here.

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of all the theories and unexplained stuff we have right now, this is possibly the dumbest thing ive read in months.
the uchiha suddenly started surviving lethal attacks and the senju didnt try to copy that technique ?
izanagi is a technique linked to the sharingan. nothing else.
tsunade, karin, naruto or kushina all have/had some kind of senju dna in them and you dont see them using izanagi.
hell, even the hyuuga clan has a form of uchiha dna in them and you dont see them running around unkillable.
i see that you are the kind of guy that wants to know everything and likes to fantisize about possible outcomes, but we have to put a stop right here.


Like I said, as far as we know, Izanagi is connected to genetic traits of the Rikudo Sennin. I don't recall anyone saying that the Sharingan was the only trait connected to Rikudo that could be used. Please correct me if I'm wrong there. If Kishi meant that only those with a Sharingan can use it, which is most likely the case, then he did a rather poor job of writing it. But that's nothing new either. And just because that people don't use certain techniques doesn't mean they can't. If it's not Sharingan exclusive, why COULDN'T the Senju use it? But lololol I suppose the punishment would be their entire body, which was inherited from the Sage or some shit.

Besides, I fail to see how this is a dumb question given that there are still answers that elude it and Kishi left holes wide open with it. As already stated, it could be a legitimate question to pose or it could just be poor writing and explanation by Kishi. But maybe there is a chapter that said something along the lines of absolutely needing a Sharingan and I just don't remember it. Either way I don't really care. This is a rather minute detail that I still don't know why I'm wondering about because it's rather insignificant. I doubt this technique makes another appearance. No reason to be butthurt about it.

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Like I said, as far as we know, Izanagi is connected to genetic traits of the Rikudo Sennin. I don't recall anyone saying that the Sharingan was the only trait connected to Rikudo that could be used. Please correct me if I'm wrong there. If Kishi meant that only those with a Sharingan can use it, which is most likely the case, then he did a rather poor job of writing it. But that's nothing new either. And just because that people don't use certain techniques doesn't mean they can't. If it's not Sharingan exclusive, why COULDN'T the Senju use it?

Besides, I fail to see how this is a dumb question given that there are still answers that elude it and Kishi left holes wide open with it. As already stated, it could be a legitimate question to pose or it could just be poor writing and explanation by Kishi. But maybe there is a chapter that said something along the lines of absolutely needing a Sharingan and I just don't remember it. Either way I don't really care. This is a rather minute detail that I still don't know why I'm wondering about because it's rather insignificant. I doubt this technique makes another appearance. No reason to be butthurt about it.


if only sharingan users use izanagi, we have to take it as a fact that only sharingan users can use the jutsu.
i dont know if this is your first manga, but every writer leaves stuff like this open because they assume the reader will take it as a fact.
the uchiha btw inherited the eyes of rikudo sennin, which is why they have these crazy doujutsus.
the senju are known for their immense chakra resources and willpower.
im not too butthurt about it, i just dont want people like you, that want to have a deeper look on the situation, argue about stuff that doesnt really matter.
you also agree with me that this isnt a good theory to argue about since we dont have anything pointing towards the senjus ability to use this jutsu as well as it being rather irrelevant for the manga
so i guess its case closed right now
but considering that tobi seems to have a ton of sharingan hidden somewhere it might come into play once again

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Aug 23 2012 10:31am
inzangi is a uchiha skill, but as with many of the eye tech's its enhanced with senju dna

just like shisui eye could only be used once every 10 years shown by itachi but augmented with senju dna shown by danzou it could be used daily

also its implied by itachi that you dont need to awaken MS to use inzangi
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Aug 23 2012 10:32am
Quote (TotallyDelicious @ 23 Aug 2012 18:31)
inzangi is a uchiha skill, but as with many of the eye tech's  its enhanced with senju dna

just like  shisui eye could only be used once every 10 years shown by itachi  but augmented with senju dna shown by danzou it could be used daily 

also its implied  by itachi that you dont need to awaken MS to use inzangi


how can izanagi be an uchiha skill if tobi and danzo were able to use it ?
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Aug 23 2012 10:35am
Quote (rinirax @ Aug 23 2012 11:32am)
how can izanagi be an uchiha skill if tobi and danzo were able to use it ?


because they have the shargian in there skull ?

you do realize if you use inzangi you lose your eye right?

its a uchiha / shargian skill you need a shargian to use the skill


Danzou used implanted normal shargians into his arm to extent the time of inzangi each eye gave him 1 min,

Tobi's skill with it was much more he could make one eye last 10 mins , also tobi is fused with zetsu which is a plant clone made from the cells of the first

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Aug 23 2012 10:54am
Quote (rinirax @ 23 Aug 2012 11:27)
if only sharingan users use izanagi, we have to take it as a fact that only sharingan users can use the jutsu.
i dont know if this is your first manga, but every writer leaves stuff like this open because they assume the reader will take it as a fact.
the uchiha btw inherited the eyes of rikudo sennin, which is why they have these crazy doujutsus.
the senju are known for their immense chakra resources and willpower.
im not too butthurt about it, i just dont want people like you, that want to have a deeper look on the situation, argue about stuff that doesnt really matter.
you also agree with me that this isnt a good theory to argue about since we dont have anything pointing towards the senjus ability to use this jutsu as well as it being rather irrelevant for the manga
so i guess its case closed right now
but considering that tobi seems to have a ton of sharingan hidden somewhere it might come into play once again


I was never trying to ram the idea down your throat in the first place. I merely pointed out that all that was explained about it was that a genetic trait of the Rikudo Sennin was required to use the technique, which certainly stems beyond the Sharingan. Just found it interesting to hypothesize the possibility of the Senju being able to use the technique. I think the way Kishi has handled the Senju in general is actually awful compared to the Uchiha. The Senju's leader was known for whooping Madara's ass and that's about it. The Uchiha constantly get unneeded powerups that do nothing more for the story than make them even more powerful than everyone else not named Naruto. Plus, where in the hell did they go? Why are there no known Senjus besides Tsunade who, for some reason, isn't referred to as Senju? Why would she not want that as her last name? Kishi can't possibly expect me to buy that they "mated with the rest of the village in disappated". Oh, so the Senju were all women who didn't keep their last name alive? I think out last hope to get any sort of explanation on them lies in Naruto's connection to the Rikudo and that's about it.
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Aug 23 2012 12:13pm
Quote (TotallyDelicious @ Aug 23 2012 12:35pm)
because they have the shargian in there skull ?

you do realize if you use inzangi you lose your eye right?

its a uchiha / shargian skill you need a shargian to use the skill


Danzou used  implanted  normal shargians into his arm to extent the time of inzangi  each eye gave him 1 min, 

Tobi's skill with it was much more he could make one eye last 10 mins , also tobi is fused with zetsu  which is a plant clone made from the cells of the first

didn't danzo also do something with the first's cells so he could use the izanagi

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Aug 23 2012 12:59pm
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didn't danzo also do something with the first's cells so he could use the izanagi


The first's cells extended the duration of it.
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