Quote (OsD @ Oct 19 2011 07:23pm)

the first hokage, is less then what he was before, because orochimaru made him that way, + he was under orochi's restraints. also we cant use that as viable evidence since it was so early in the manga.

As for right now, i will have to put tobi as the master of Zetsu if not a clone being controlled by zetsu.

Thats just the only way it can be right now since i have no fucking clue what can happen now

Quote (The_KoF @ Oct 19 2011 06:24pm)

i dont know tobi's true identify but again this is my theory:

Quote (Manevolent @ Oct 19 2011 06:26pm)

im thinking zetsu is the main villain of the whole entire storyline

so far he has had almost no role in anything but exists as a way for other people to enhance their abilities

he is probably the one pulling the reins on this whole story

tobi and madara are probably just his puppets

Quote (The_KoF @ Oct 19 2011 08:30pm)

i dont think its Izuna. Obito makes more sense if its another Uchiha but i dont think its either of em.

Its simple. Piece it together.

Itachi said Tobi/Madara was a shell of his former self
Has been heavily implied upon fact that Tobi= Madara even Kabuto said "your vessel is unique"
So many other things

Tobi is Madaras clone, grown out of Madara and Hashiramas cells or some sort of clone.

Tobi stated he gave Nagato the rinnengan, obviously Madara did so that could work as well.

Main crazy point = When nagato died Tobi said what a traitor he was supposed to save the bring back to life Jutsu for me, when Madara came out of the sixth coffin he thought it was that same Jutsu Rinne tense before he realized it was Edo. Tobi wasnt talking to anybody that required him to lie when using the word "me" when referring that Nagato was supposed to save it for him and Madara is shown to know Nagato so it all falls into place.

Ediit: My previous posts and pics also hinted that he is a clone

Quote (TR0LL @ 20 Oct 2011 11:09)

it absolutely cannot be tobirama

his soul was sealed

he was raised, which means he was dead, he was sealed, no more coming back

Quote (slinpy_hoe @ Oct 19 2011 10:50pm)

Ive already put evidence that it's not Tobirama.
Izuna however is still open for a candidate.
It is someone that have used or have made contact with the Kyubbi before.

Quote (Quidditch @ 20 Oct 2011 17:30)

y? 

fox  talked about madara to sasuke  not tobi  why does tobi have to have know the fox?  all he did was attack kush when she was preggers with naruto    and madara prob taught  tobi how to use fox etc before he passed