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Nov 13 2008 10:46pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Fri, 14 Nov 2008, 04:21)
ichigo could have pwned byakuya at any time during that fight except when his own spirit pressure started doing damage to his own body because it was so strong.


i dont agree cos i think if the inner hollow didnt take over then he wouldnt have forced himself to the next level becaus e once the mask formed spirit pressure went up hence he started kickign ass... tongue.gif
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Fri, Nov 14 2008, 12:21am)
ichigo could have pwned byakuya at any time during that fight except when his own spirit pressure started doing damage to his own body because it was so strong.


no.
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Quote (Cyba @ Fri, Nov 14 2008, 12:13am)
no.


Ichigo could have killed him right when he released bankai smile.gif which is why he had his sword at his throat. He could have killed him any time before byakuya released his huge amounts of pink swords, and the only reason he started losing after that is because his spirit power was causing damage to his own body since it was his first time using bankai. Byakuya even said "im not getting faster, you are getting slower" and tehn his hollow told him that his spirit pressure was cracking his bones.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Fri, Nov 14 2008, 01:21am)
Ichigo could have killed him right when he released bankai smile.gif  which is why he had his sword at his throat.  He could have killed him any time before byakuya released his huge amounts of pink swords, and the only reason he started losing after that is because his spirit power was causing damage to his own body since it was his first time using bankai.  Byakuya even said "im not getting faster, you are getting slower" and tehn his hollow told him that his spirit pressure was cracking his bones.


yea, but that just means that byakuya underestimated ichigo.... if they both went full force at that time, byakuya woulda won.

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Quote (Thor123422 @ Fri, Nov 14 2008, 12:21am)
Ichigo could have killed him right when he released bankai smile.gif which is why he had his sword at his throat. He could have killed him any time before byakuya released his huge amounts of pink swords, and the only reason he started losing after that is because his spirit power was causing damage to his own body since it was his first time using bankai. Byakuya even said "im not getting faster, you are getting slower" and tehn his hollow told him that his spirit pressure was cracking his bones.



Senbonzakura's bankai, senkei form.Byakuya's bankai, named Senbonzakura Kageyoshi (千本桜景厳, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi? literally "Vibrant Display of a Thousand Cherry Blossoms"), is essentially a much larger version of Senbonzakura's shikai. To activate it, Byakuya drops his sword. The sword passes through the ground and two rows of giant blades rise up from the ground. These then scatter into millions of tiny blades. The number of blades is great enough that Byakuya can use them for defense and offense at the same time. He commonly forms them into large masses of blades to crush opponents.[12][13] Like with his shikai, its attack is triggered with the phrase "scatter".

Byakuya's bankai has several forms, achieved by arranging the blades in different patterns. They are activated by saying the name of the technique followed by the name of his bankai. Each form presents a different advantage, such as increasing offense at the expense of defense.

Byakuya's attack form is "massacre scene" (殲景, senkei?, Viz: "annihilate"), which unites the scattered petals into complete swords that form rows of swords around Byakuya and his opponent. In this form, Byakuya abandons the defense potential of his many blades and concentrates on killing the enemy. While Byakuya can control these swords as he does his regular blades, he usually attacks with just one in hand. He remarks in his battle with Ichigo that he normally only shows senkei to those he has sworn to "kill by his own hand", Ichigo being the second to see this.[14] After immobilizing an opponent, he can call in the other blades to hit them while they're trapped. He can also use all the blades at once for one immensely powerful strike. Byakuya demonstrates that Senkei can also be used as a barrier to protect those inside from a barrage of Ceros blasts. He also displays the ability to activate Kageyoshi from inside Senkei, shattering all rows of swords at once.[15]

To overwhelm the defense of an opponent, Byakuya can use "pivotal scene" (吭景, gōkei?). This aligns every blade in a spherical formation around his opponent, which then collapses into them from every possible angle, leaving no blind spots and no chance to escape.[16]

As a final attack he can use "final scene" (終景, shūkei?, Viz: "last sight"). This condenses every one of his blades into a single sword, drastically increasing its cutting power. The blade appears bright white and its aura takes the form of a bird, earning it the name "white imperial sword" (白帝剣, hakuteiken?, Viz: "white emperor sword"). Byakuya also grows pure white wings and a halo-like circle in the back, both made of spiritual power.[17]



If Kenpachi has hidden techniques, then so does byakuya.
Don't go assuming that he's weaker then ichigo, because he's not.

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Senbonzakura's bankai, senkei form.Byakuya's bankai, named Senbonzakura Kageyoshi (千本桜景厳, Senbonzakura Kageyoshi? literally "Vibrant Display of a Thousand Cherry Blossoms"), is essentially a much larger version of Senbonzakura's shikai. To activate it, Byakuya drops his sword. The sword passes through the ground and two rows of giant blades rise up from the ground. These then scatter into millions of tiny blades. The number of blades is great enough that Byakuya can use them for defense and offense at the same time. He commonly forms them into large masses of blades to crush opponents.[12][13] Like with his shikai, its attack is triggered with the phrase "scatter".

Byakuya's bankai has several forms, achieved by arranging the blades in different patterns. They are activated by saying the name of the technique followed by the name of his bankai. Each form presents a different advantage, such as increasing offense at the expense of defense.

Byakuya's attack form is "massacre scene" (殲景, senkei?, Viz: "annihilate"), which unites the scattered petals into complete swords that form rows of swords around Byakuya and his opponent. In this form, Byakuya abandons the defense potential of his many blades and concentrates on killing the enemy. While Byakuya can control these swords as he does his regular blades, he usually attacks with just one in hand. He remarks in his battle with Ichigo that he normally only shows senkei to those he has sworn to "kill by his own hand", Ichigo being the second to see this.[14] After immobilizing an opponent, he can call in the other blades to hit them while they're trapped. He can also use all the blades at once for one immensely powerful strike. Byakuya demonstrates that Senkei can also be used as a barrier to protect those inside from a barrage of Ceros blasts. He also displays the ability to activate Kageyoshi from inside Senkei, shattering all rows of swords at once.[15]

To overwhelm the defense of an opponent, Byakuya can use "pivotal scene" (吭景, gōkei?). This aligns every blade in a spherical formation around his opponent, which then collapses into them from every possible angle, leaving no blind spots and no chance to escape.[16]

As a final attack he can use "final scene" (終景, shūkei?, Viz: "last sight"). This condenses every one of his blades into a single sword, drastically increasing its cutting power. The blade appears bright white and its aura takes the form of a bird, earning it the name "white imperial sword" (白帝剣, hakuteiken?, Viz: "white emperor sword"). Byakuya also grows pure white wings and a halo-like circle in the back, both made of spiritual power.[17]



If Kenpachi has hidden techniques, then so does byakuya.
Don't go assuming that he's weaker then ichigo, because he's not.


lolz, the senkei was his strongest attack, he even said so during hte fight. He said something along the lines of "this is what happens when i abandon all defense in the attempt to kill my enemy" or, he gets desperate in killing his enemy and uses this attack as a last resort. After Ichigo's inner hollow attacked him he didn't really have hte energy to keep that up so he used white emperor as a final blow.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Fri, Nov 14 2008, 04:45pm)
lolz, the senkei was his strongest attack, he even said so during hte fight.  He said something along the lines of "this is what happens when i abandon all defense in the attempt to kill my enemy"    or, he gets desperate in killing his enemy and uses this attack as a last resort.  After Ichigo's inner hollow attacked him he didn't really have hte energy to keep that up so he used white emperor as a final blow.


Dam, i started anotgher argument didnt i biggrin.gif
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Quote (Onceamule @ Thu, 13 Nov 2008, 22:52)
Firts of all, Ishida and renji are already battered to a pulp so it would be hard for any of them 2 do anything, Ichigo in about the last 10 episdes died, fought grimmjow, then got picked on by nnotoira after the fight, hell, Yami could priolly push him around then, third that chick ahead of him, halibel, is probaly way stronger than nel first of all, second aizen prolly keeps him in check, and third he's busy with nel, he does not have time

Syazel is practically the equivelent to Kurotschi, he can outsmart u many ways, which is why Ishida and Renji is having a hard time with him


still ichigo should be able to handle a mere fraccion without any problems. he cut off yamis arm without any effort. nel was clearly stronger than nnoitra, yet he still wanted to fight with her. i don't see how the situation is any different with halibel.
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Quote (Vicc @ Fri, Nov 14 2008, 09:08pm)
still ichigo should be able to handle a mere fraccion without any problems. he cut off yamis arm without any effort. nel was clearly stronger than nnoitra, yet he still wanted to fight with her. i don't see how the situation is any different with halibel.


Halibel is about 3x stronger than nel first of all 2nd aizen keeps him in check 3rd. ichigo is in no condition for battle using up all his reitsu fighting ulquirra and grimmjow, heck, a regular hollow could take him right now. 4th. Yami is an unimportant weakling espada that isnt even as strong as the privion seeing the privion was more of a challenge than yami to ichigo. In terms you can say he was the strongest fraccion and aizen wanted another espada made from the hougyoku so he took yami

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Quote (Onceamule @ Fri, Nov 14 2008, 11:17pm)
Halibel is about 3x stronger than nel first of all 2nd aizen keeps him in check 3rd. ichigo is in no condition for battle using up all his reitsu fighting ulquirra and grimmjow, heck, a regular hollow could take him right now. 4th. Yami is an unimportant weakling espada that isnt even as strong as the privion seeing the privion was more of a challenge than yami to ichigo. In terms you can say he was the strongest fraccion and aizen wanted another espada made from the hougyoku so he took yami


you also have ot remember that At the time Ichigo was fighting Yami, he had a strong spirit to fight. he had a clean face the entire time he was jumping around Yami and after he took his sword out, ichigo finally went out of his mind. he hasnt been as focused since then imo.
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