Quote (Quidditch @ 13 Oct 2011 17:49)

if the sage died from old age why do u think his son is immortal? esp when he didnt inherit the  bad ass life force of the senju ?

Quote (Manevolent @ 13 Oct 2011 19:32)

k guys back to this im home how

http://i29.mangareader.net/naruto/462/naruto-744930.jpg

k so the elder son of the sage had rinnegan and his descendents were the uchiha (sharingan being a mutation from rinnegan)

this means that the elder son was the only one in the whole of uchiha to possessed rinnegan which he may have transfered into nagato

(meaning the uzumaki clan was somehow affiliated with the elder son)

madara must be a grandson or even the son of the elder son of the sage explaining how he knows something about nagato

at the konan vs tobi battle, konan says how rinnegan was nagato's eyes but tobi says he is merely taking back what was his at first

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now i just noticed another thing

while zetsu is with tobi, he never once called him "madara"

seems kinda weird zetsu may be some sort of life form that existed prob back in the sage's time and is helping whoever tobi is

if tobi is actually the elder son of the sage then he must be trying to continue his revenge like back then when he was not chosen as the successor of the sage himself

instead the younger son was chosen and they fought

all explaining the hatred of the elder son toward younger + the whole ninja world

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another thing, tobi shows how he knows a lot about the lore of the past about the sage/his sons/and history itself

everyone else is clueless about it, should tell something i guess


TL DR

Quote (Juicy_J @ Oct 13 2011 07:27pm)

Props for actually contributing something. By the way, it was me who first suggested that Tobi could be the elder son. I think it actually makes pretty good sense these days.

Quote (OsD @ Oct 14 2011 01:52am)

well he did get stomped by the 4th, and the real Madara would have torn the 4th another butthole if they went 1v1 lol. I only say this because the 4th was not at his Peak strength, he was a Hokage before he was the strongest he could be.

Also, he looks just like when he died to the 1st am i right? It was never said if Nagato was at the fight with the first?
Fuck, maybe the sage was still alive back then, of course reincarnated as Nagato, and Madara Beat the crap out of him, but he survived and used the remainder of his stength to be reincarnated again?

Quote (TR0LL @ Oct 13 2011 04:04pm)

obito gets crushed

zetsu saves him

explains uchiha situation/past


it's not completely illogical

Quote (kokolchalkl @ Oct 13 2011 10:25pm)

deffinitly not obito because we saw a glimpse of how old the guy behind his mask was

obito is about the same age as kakashi, while the man behind the mask is about the same

age as danzo when he died

Quote (TR0LL @ Oct 13 2011 10:27pm)

so you're saying that jutsus don't exist that can wear out one's body 


i sure remember nagato turning really old after using a certain technique

Quote (Manevolent @ 13 Oct 2011 22:38)

is obito nagato?

no.

and that jutsu u refer too is rinnegan users only

Quote (mcbatch @ Oct 13 2011 10:38pm)

i think weve all forgotten about the transformation jutsu lol