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Oct 2 2011 11:07am
one of the shows themes is that the current generation surpasses the previous one, so its supposed to be 4th>oro/tsu/jiraiya > 3rd > 1st/2nd

and Naruto is supposed to surpass the 4th (whether he has or hasn't yet is probably a debate somewhere)
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Oct 2 2011 11:56am
Quote (ridman2000 @ Oct 2 2011 04:57pm)
we're talking about being a strong hokage, not a great doctor. i dont think the 3rd could have beaten pain, even in his prime. on a side not i think jiraiya surpassed the third (just saying that for the comparison between pain/jiraiya/3rd that i suspect is coming)


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Oct 2 2011 12:28pm
I don't think Tsunade sucks at combat like... at all. She's probably crazy powerful and could hold her own against Jiraiya or Oro... Granted, both of them would probably beat her, but not without taking damage themselves.

And yes, honestly I think Jiraiya > 3rd now that I've thought about it. It definitely follows the pattern of new > old and crap.
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Oct 2 2011 02:25pm
Quote (Juicy_J @ Oct 2 2011 10:28am)
I don't think Tsunade sucks at combat like... at all. She's probably crazy powerful and could hold her own against Jiraiya or Oro... Granted, both of them would probably beat her, but not without taking damage themselves.

And yes, honestly I think Jiraiya > 3rd now that I've thought about it. It definitely follows the pattern of new > old and crap.


we are in agreement to this, altho for the jiraiya > 3rd idk. i would consider them equals since it'd probably be pretty epic


Quote (ridman2000 @ Oct 2 2011 08:57am)
we're talking about being a strong hokage, not a great doctor. i dont think the 3rd could have beaten pain, even in his prime. on a side not i think jiraiya surpassed the third (just saying that for the comparison between pain/jiraiya/3rd that i suspect is coming)

I think that if the 3rd knew the secret of pain, or at least had the info that naruto had when they fought, the third > but just like jiraiya he probably would have died for some important info.
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Oct 2 2011 03:40pm
Quote (Taxidermy @ Oct 2 2011 10:07am)
one of the shows themes is that the current generation surpasses the previous one, so its supposed to be 4th>oro/tsu/jiraiya > 3rd > 1st/2nd

and Naruto is supposed to surpass the 4th (whether he has or hasn't yet is probably a debate somewhere)


moar like
naruto surpass jiraiya (yep) 4th slams naruto any day
sasuke surpass oro (slammed oro ez)
sakura surpass tsunade (neva gunna happen)
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Oct 2 2011 03:44pm
Quote (Manevolent @ Oct 2 2011 05:40pm)
moar like
naruto surpass jiraiya (yep) 4th slams naruto any day
sasuke surpass oro (slammed oro ez)
sakura surpass tsunade (neva gunna happen)


the only reason naruto would lose to the 4th is because he lacks battle exp and intelligence
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Oct 2 2011 03:49pm
Quote (lemonade1 @ Oct 2 2011 02:44pm)
the only reason naruto would lose to the 4th is because he lacks battle exp and intelligence


ya
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Oct 2 2011 06:16pm
Quote (Manevolent @ Oct 2 2011 05:49pm)
ya


naruto definitly surpasses the 4th in terms of power and possibly speed tho

he has sage mode and control of the 9tails
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Oct 2 2011 06:47pm
Quote (lemonade1 @ Oct 2 2011 05:16pm)
naruto definitly surpasses the 4th in terms of power and possibly speed tho

he has sage mode and control of the 9tails


i think 4th still faster
but ya naruto has more chakra/brute strength from kyuubi
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Oct 2 2011 08:35pm
wat are we arguing bout been out for 2 days
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