Quote (TrouNce @ Aug 27 2011 04:37pm)

:/ I was going by tools at their disposal currently or at the time of their death. Currently Madara is stronger then 1st hokage.

Remember Oro stood face to face with Naruto in fox mode with how many tails? 4 If I remember correctly. Didn't  Jiraiya almost die because he did the same thing? (without sagemode and frogs for help) Regardless..

The point I was trying to make is Orochimaru and Jiraiya are =. They were the rivals of their generation. Genius vs Heart and Power. In a real 1v1 Im sure its 50/50
Itach > them both.

Look at it this way. The rinnengan has 6 fields of view right? All 6 paths share the same sight. Itachi has the strongest genjutsu and would only need to catch one path. Game over for all 6..... We all know Pain is weak against genjutsu. Jiriya caught him in one. Just imagine what Itachi could do.

I doubt Jiryiah could have killed pain as easy as you claim. Naruto Knew the trick behind pain and still barely won.

Quote (lemonade1 @ Aug 27 2011 08:52pm)

its not as easy as someone claims. its as easy as NAGATO HIMSELF said

Quote (TrouNce @ Aug 27 2011 05:07pm)

How did Naruto survive his fight with Nagato? When hinata was hurt he went into 8 tails. That little moon nagato created is too strong for Jiryia to escape from. And how the hell could He stop the "ultimate push"
Remember the technique nagato used to crush the leaf? If nagato said he would have lost then its only out of respect for his former teacher. Nothing else.

Doesn't matter. Oro Pain anf jiryah are not on my list for a reason. None of them stand a chance against the top 4.

Quote (lemonade1 @ Aug 27 2011 09:29pm)

or maybe jiraiya is actually that good lol

the only reason naruto did so bad was cause he has no battle experience or any techniques other than those rasengans shadow clones and frog tai jutsu, jiraiya has a ton of techniques at his disposal and a good 30 years of combat experience on naruto. hes clearly a much better ninja in comparison

Quote (Juicy_J @ Aug 27 2011 03:59pm)

Since people are so likely to believe in crazed theories in this topic, here's one; Itachi didn't want to fight him because he knew Jiraiya was a valuable asset to the Leaf, and wanted him to take care of Naruto or something.

And I would consider the best of the best to be the top half of the top tier. So if you have 20 ninja in the top tier, maybe it's time you cut your list shorter
Naruto
Minato
Hashirama
Madara
Sasuke
Jiraiya/Itachi tie
Nagato
3rd
Orochimaru
Hanzo (I think it's stupid how the stupid samurai beat him)

There's mine. As much as I HATE putting Sasuke above Jiraiya/Itachi, I know he'll probably have to come out of his bandages on par with Naruto.

Quote (TrouNce @ Aug 27 2011 05:33pm)

I will agree with this. Experience is key. If you based every battle on experience however... A lot of fights that took place are wrong. The losers are almost always more experienced then the winner.

Example: 3rd Hokage Should have > Orochimaru. There has never been a more experienced ninja. haha.

Quote (itzpookiie @ 27 Aug 2011 16:50)

uh no
itachi clearly stated that even with him and kisame
fighting jiraiya would best only end in a stalemate
do you like to believe what you want to or do you actually pay attention to what youre reading?

btw
jiraiya was minatos sensei
jiraiya is same if not better than orichimaru
jiraiya was the 3rds student
jiraiya is definitely better than naruto AND sasuke
so yea
ur list is fucked if ure saying jiraiya isnt top 5

Quote (itzpookiie @ Aug 27 2011 09:50pm)

uh no
itachi clearly stated that even with him and kisame
fighting jiraiya would best only end in a stalemate
do you like to believe what you want to or do you actually pay attention to what youre reading?

btw
jiraiya was minatos sensei
jiraiya is same if not better than orichimaru
jiraiya was the 3rds student
jiraiya is definitely better than naruto AND sasuke
so yea
ur list is fucked if ure saying jiraiya isnt top 5

Quote (lemonade1 @ Aug 27 2011 03:29pm)

or maybe jiraiya is actually that good lol

the only reason naruto did so bad was cause he has no battle experience or any techniques other than those rasengans shadow clones and frog tai jutsu, jiraiya has a ton of techniques at his disposal and a good 30 years of combat experience on naruto. hes clearly a much better ninja in comparison