sigh... i guess you want more examples

there was also "proof" that kisame died from the double lariat

and i think you're confused, i'm arguing that tobi can still be anyone. even people presumed dead.

i don't disagree with madara's brother being dead, i'm saying he was still able to battle after having his eyes plucked

This post was edited by Cyba on Jul 15 2011 06:28pm

whos the 4 that have ms?

and also.. whos to say that out of the 3 one of them is tobi?

according to itachi's story, madara him sasuke and madara's brother

also, notice how i didn't say TOBI has unlocked the mangekyou sharingan, but i said MADARA..

i think your missing my point. also there was no proof that kisame had died from that double lariat. they thought they had killed him

i think your assuming im arguing against your point.. im just adding to the discussion. we thought kisame n all those people were dead until they showed that they lived. sofar shisui is still dead




tobi is just going by the name madara, ill still call him tobi tho

didnt madaras brother die?

tobi is madara

/thread



ya was thinking this too

there's a big difference between kakashi and gaara's death, then the edo tensei people's death. i don't even know why you're using edo tensei as your support because there's a huge difference between the edo tensei people and gaara/kakash. it just makes your argument weak and might i add, stupid.

in case you want to know the difference (if you're too slow to figure it out yourself), i'll go ahead and explain:

the people of edo tensei are those confirmed dead and have been dead for quite awhile, and they're people who are practically immortal and pretty much no longer human, nor do they bleed... gaara and kakashi are still able to die with a stab to the heart or other vital organs aka they're mortals..not to mention, their resurrections seem to have a time frame in that they have to be revived not too long after their death (hence why jiraiya wasn't revived)

but yes, my point was that unless they're confirmed 100% totally dead and won't walk the earth as a mortal again, deaths that are merely "reported" don't mean crap unless they are 100% totally confirmed dead and won't walk the earth as a mortal again. so it's pretty much fair game as to who tobi is unless there is proof beyond a reasonable doubt

its gotta be the only thing hes useing madara for is to get stronger, once he cant learn anymore hes gonna kill madara himself and take his place

lol you're making this too easy...... "kisame's" head was on the floor decapitated from his body, what more proof does one need? if the cops of the uchiha police force really found shisui's body laying on the river, what's to say that's not zetsu doing a perfect clone either? after all whoever tobi is can just tell zetsu to create a clone and fake a death... if shisui is tobi, he could tell zetsu to fake it.... get the connection yet

you say a lot of things in your "adding" to the discussion.. you pretty much go back and forth and like to tell stories rather than getting to the point so it's hard to figure which side you're on



madara's brother died, but on the battlefield some time after his eyes were plucked, not immediately after... i stated this example because someone earlier said it can't be shisui because danzo has shisui's right eye and right arm

This post was edited by Cyba on Jul 15 2011 06:51pm

lol why u so upset. im just saying that there alive now.. not that they could be tobi..

jiraiya isnt revived cause hes way at the bottom of an ocean.. theres no time frame u just need enough dna. if you want to know why (cause your too slow to figure this out) theres people revived right now that died way before jiraiya

i think you're confused. i'm talking about the resurrection used like for gaara's and kakashi's death.

This post was edited by Cyba on Jul 15 2011 06:52pm