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Apr 4 2016 09:42am
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SSJ4 is still the best transformation there ever was.

No matter how people try to downplay GT because of the awful hunt for the black dragon balls, Baby was an awesome villain and SSJ4 was fucking epic. People bandwagon too much.

The SSJ4 fusion was one of my favorite moments in all of dragon ball.

Dragon Ball Super's Vegeta has been a whiny bitch. At the end of Dragon Ball Z he had matured so much, it makes no sense for him to act the way he's been acting. Last episode was the first glimpse of him as a more mature Vegeta and even that wasn't anywhere close what he was at at the end of DBZ.

DB Super also has decided to go back to a lighter mood so no fight has made us feel any sense of urgency. It feels more like the original dragon ball when goku was a kid which to me isn't really a good thing. All the iconic moments of dragon ball happened when the Z saga started. Saiyans, frieza, SSJ, cell, SSJ2/3, boo, vegeta killing himself, etc.

I love dragon ball, but DB Super is way below GT for me so far (if you forget about the black dragon ball hunt. God damn that was awful :S)


Yea, no....

SS Vegito was miles better than SS4 Gogeta. Bulma having to use a special laser just so Vegeta can go ss4? Uh no thanks. GT was rushed in the end cuz it wasn't doing so good. GT is an abomination of dragons ball. Please let us forget any of that happend.

About the last episode. It was definitely the best one yet. Vegeta has retained his crown as my favorite character yet again. Hit will definitely be something special.
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Yea, no....

SS Vegito was miles better than SS4 Gogeta. Bulma having to use a special laser just so Vegeta can go ss4? Uh no thanks. GT was rushed in the end cuz it wasn't doing so good. GT is an abomination of dragons ball. Please let us forget any of that happend.

About the last episode. It was definitely the best one yet. Vegeta has retained his crown as my favorite character yet again. Hit will definitely be something special.


Thank you, I'm glad I'm not the only one. Was starting to feel like I was going insane.
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Apr 4 2016 06:16pm
Quote (CMBurns @ Apr 4 2016 02:43am)
SSJ4 is still the best transformation there ever was.

No matter how people try to downplay GT because of the awful hunt for the black dragon balls, Baby was an awesome villain and SSJ4 was fucking epic. People bandwagon too much.

The SSJ4 fusion was one of my favorite moments in all of dragon ball.

Dragon Ball Super's Vegeta has been a whiny bitch. At the end of Dragon Ball Z he had matured so much, it makes no sense for him to act the way he's been acting. Last episode was the first glimpse of him as a more mature Vegeta and even that wasn't anywhere close what he was at at the end of DBZ.

DB Super also has decided to go back to a lighter mood so no fight has made us feel any sense of urgency. It feels more like the original dragon ball when goku was a kid which to me isn't really a good thing. All the iconic moments of dragon ball happened when the Z saga started. Saiyans, frieza, SSJ, cell, SSJ2/3, boo, vegeta killing himself, etc.

I love dragon ball, but DB Super is way below GT for me so far (if you forget about the black dragon ball hunt. God damn that was awful :S)


I'm glad someone feels the exact same as I do. I also won't deny that GT was bad though. It was good and bad. It had noticeable flaws but it was entertaining enough to call it good. People just salty cuz it's non-canon.
Let's hope that Super aims toward the serious approach soon. I have a feeling that after this tournament we'll see more seriousness.
I do like how Akira Toriyama is taking a not-so-serious approach right now though. In a sense it feels a bit like Dragon Ball right now. Which kind of makes sense since Super is the 30th anniversary special.

No point in making Goku a Super Saiyan God Omega Great Ape Super Saiyan 3 yet when you can take a casual-serious approach and make real worth of it through new storybuilding and character development.

This post was edited by Duyere on Apr 4 2016 06:18pm
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Apr 4 2016 07:08pm
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I'm glad someone feels the exact same as I do. I also won't deny that GT was bad though. It was good and bad. It had noticeable flaws but it was entertaining enough to call it good. People just salty cuz it's non-canon.
Let's hope that Super aims toward the serious approach soon. I have a feeling that after this tournament we'll see more seriousness.
I do like how Akira Toriyama is taking a not-so-serious approach right now though. In a sense it feels a bit like Dragon Ball right now. Which kind of makes sense since Super is the 30th anniversary special.

No point in making Goku a Super Saiyan God Omega Great Ape Super Saiyan 3 yet when you can take a casual-serious approach and make real worth of it through new storybuilding and character development.


People are salty because it literally killed the fucking franchise for almost 2 decades.... That's how bad it was. I don't know how you can call something that actually killed one of the best shows ever good.... You're entitled to your opinion ofc, it just doesn't make a fucking bit of sense.
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Apr 4 2016 08:35pm
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People are salty because it literally killed the fucking franchise for almost 2 decades.... That's how bad it was. I don't know how you can call something that actually killed one of the best shows ever good.... You're entitled to your opinion ofc, it just doesn't make a fucking bit of sense.


Well I wouldn't say it killed the franchise. Just the manga/anime during for two decades. I mean GT characters were at least liked enough to be incorporated into several DBZ games, even to this day.
And if anything GT helped keep the franchise alive because Akira Toriyama did not have intentions to make anything after DBZ. Imagine how disappointed people would have been if DBZ ended and there was no GT.
I personally feel like it would have been a bit anti-climatic but at least Toei tried to do their own spin-off of what DB would have been like after Z.
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Apr 4 2016 09:58pm
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People are salty because it literally killed the fucking franchise for almost 2 decades.... That's how bad it was. I don't know how you can call something that actually killed one of the best shows ever good.... You're entitled to your opinion ofc, it just doesn't make a fucking bit of sense.


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Apr 4 2016 10:01pm
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Well I wouldn't say it killed the franchise. Just the manga/anime during for two decades. I mean GT characters were at least liked enough to be incorporated into several DBZ games, even to this day.
And if anything GT helped keep the franchise alive because Akira Toriyama did not have intentions to make anything after DBZ. Imagine how disappointed people would have been if DBZ ended and there was no GT.
I personally feel like it would have been a bit anti-climatic but at least Toei tried to do their own spin-off of what DB would have been like after Z.


I would have been completely fine with it ending after the Buu arc. I'm glad it's continued, and I'm incredibly happy they've waited long enough to come up with some original and interesting direction, instead of rehashing the same old shit again. Everything about GT was just unpleasant, from the horrible transformations, Goku's fucking kill-stealing, the god awful plot and villains, really just everything about it was bad. Like I said, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it, but I think it's a big factor as to why it took so long for it to come back, GT destroyed a lot of the love people had for the franchise, obviously not for you and CM, but for most of us it did. Also, the games have all been terrible post Cell imo.
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Apr 5 2016 05:29am
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I would have been completely fine with it ending after the Buu arc. I'm glad it's continued, and I'm incredibly happy they've waited long enough to come up with some original and interesting direction, instead of rehashing the same old shit again. Everything about GT was just unpleasant, from the horrible transformations, Goku's fucking kill-stealing, the god awful plot and villains, really just everything about it was bad. Like I said, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it, but I think it's a big factor as to why it took so long for it to come back, GT destroyed a lot of the love people had for the franchise, obviously not for you and CM, but for most of us it did. Also, the games have all been terrible post Cell imo.


Well you can't really say it killed the franchise since DBZ was the end.

GT characters and other non cannon ones were heavily used in all the games made since then.

The Baby, Android 17 and shadow dragon sagas were awesome for more than just a few people. Frankly I much prefered a matured vegeta over a bitchy one too.

Also Vegeta needing focused blutz waves to reach SSJ4 made sense since he had no tail and to first transform you need to becoming a SSJ giant ape.

Also the SSJ4 transformation making use of the oozaro was awesome. We had not seen the giant ape form in such a long time even tho it's a huge part of what saiyans can do. Needing to control their primal side to ascend was cool and the transformation itself just looks so damn badass.


All I can say is if you can soak up the salt that the black dragon ball hunt created (for me included) and look at the rest of GT objectively, it was amazing.

This post was edited by CMBurns on Apr 5 2016 05:30am
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Apr 5 2016 12:47pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Apr 4 2016 10:01pm)
I would have been completely fine with it ending after the Buu arc. I'm glad it's continued, and I'm incredibly happy they've waited long enough to come up with some original and interesting direction, instead of rehashing the same old shit again. Everything about GT was just unpleasant, from the horrible transformations, Goku's fucking kill-stealing, the god awful plot and villains, really just everything about it was bad. Like I said, I'm glad you guys enjoyed it, but I think it's a big factor as to why it took so long for it to come back, GT destroyed a lot of the love people had for the franchise, obviously not for you and CM, but for most of us it did. Also, the games have all been terrible post Cell imo.


I find it kind of funny because at a point in time DBZ was no different than GT. Sure it's canon but lots of people felt like it should have ended at DB. Then DBZ came along and completely changed DB. So I mean in the eyes of lots, the franchise was killed when DBZ was made.
But I'd say that the whole "franchise being killed by GT" deal is merely subjective. I mean DBZ would be a lot less popular this without all the non-canon content made. Stuff like the movies and GT saved us. But then again that's also subjective.

This post was edited by Duyere on Apr 5 2016 12:48pm
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Apr 5 2016 03:53pm
With all do respect, I've enjoyed some parts of GT as many others, and some parts ruined it as fuck, but really enjoyed the beginning of GT were goku takes oob to train him etc.

But since GT started we've had numerous of movies and other cool chars introduced which is pretty cool..

i mean what if GT never happened, would we then still have gotten super series haha?

Back to super tho, I can't wait for the tournament to have its ending and we can move on with cabe/cabba :) and to see gohan get his ass back to training fo real!
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