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Nov 11 2011 03:08pm
Quote (Eep @ Nov 11 2011 03:57pm)
No. That didn't address anything.



From this I gather:



(code does not work sometimes)

Valid, but unsound. Here are some counter examples:

-If the only thing the industry cared about was money, then every show would be Seed Destiny. Now, taking that into consideration, is EVERY show or EVERY manga in existence a Seed Destiny copy?

-Something that has both popularity and a good story will get picked up by a production company, and it does not then follow that this is a NEGATIVE thing.. You seem to have a very skewed perception of what defines something as "good" or "bad"



-Inductive reasoning at it's finest

And there's a problem with going by it?

-You and the rest of the one piece bashers fail to define what "kids" entails. Another hole for you to trip over~

Google the definition of Shounen. Thanks. I didn't expect such an ignorant response from you. Shame.

-They are factual because they are factual? That, sir, is what I call begging the question.

Could it be a generalization? Sure, but lets take for example. 70% didn't like OP, 30% Did. So judging by that, it's good right? Please...

-If I listed every shitty argument I came across I'd never be done.....

You contradicted yourself on this one buddy, so you're getting SEVERAL "shitty" arguments on why OP is bad. I wonder, so many people with so many arguments. What does that lead to?

-So we should all judge everything before completion? You judge 800 page books after 150 pages read? Should trials and studies only skim the surface? What a wonderful world you must live in~

Is this a book? Does books come out by chapters? This comparison is moot.

Since you have already committed to a bazillion other fallacies, what's with one more, eh? Did someone order this post "AD-HOMINEM"?

Quite the contrary, you should really read over what you reply with before you hit the "add reply" button. Just a fair tip for you.


I'll take my leave.

This post was edited by Touhou on Nov 11 2011 03:09pm
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Nov 11 2011 03:19pm
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I'll take my leave.


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Nov 11 2011 03:30pm
My last statement was an opinion, to which you called me a fanboy. Yeah, that's a personal attack. I re-read it, just to make sure. Want me to triple check? (PS: I watched all of those shows I listed, I didn't stop less than halfway)

Anyways, the problem with inductive reasoning is that you are all making claims that are MORE than opinions (See: the "masterpiece" argument), and trying to play them off as opinions. That is a problem. Whether or not one piece is a masterpiece, to me, would be an objective claim. Whether or not one piece is a 'good' show (where 'good' must, again, be defined in a general or personal form), I would argue, is also an objective claim. Now whether or not you LIKE it, that's subjective and I don't care.

The problem is instead of people saying they didn't like one piece, they just flat out call it BAD or find 10000 other 'creative' ways to poison the well. (Guess what poisoning the well is...)

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"Google the definition of shounen"


Really? I thought I read this earlier..

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"And you wonder why this world is messed up, America is nowhere near as good either when it comes to restrictions."


(I bring this quote up because you said something about America, so I had to question which demographic you were referring to...)

So, we should use the shounen definition of kids? Because that was never explicitly stated, in any argument I've seen thus far. People generalize 'kids' and add an implied negative connotation with it. The shounen 'kid', then, ranges from 10-17 iirc.Because anime/manga are adapted in languages for several different countries, you cannot just say kids and expect me to understand which demographic you refer to. Hardly me being ignorant.



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"Could it be a generalization? Sure, but lets take for example. 70% didn't like OP, 30% Did. So judging by that, it's good right? Please..."


What? These claims are 'generally' factual? I've yet to see a single one proven. These aren't even claims most of the time, they are just mindless attacks upon the integrity of the show. These are subjective misgivings. As far as the %, I have no idea where you are going with that.

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"You contradicted yourself on this one buddy, so you're getting SEVERAL "shitty" arguments on why OP is bad. I wonder, so many people with so many arguments. What does that lead to?"


what did I contradict?

If 10 million people believe in god, and 100 don't, does it then stand that god exists? Lol? This leads to a shitty argument, IMO.

It does not follow that, just because 10000 people say one piece is not a masterpiece, or 100000 people say that one piece is SHITTY, BAD, NOT WORTH WATCHING, that these claims are true.

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"Is this a book? Does books come out by chapters? This comparison is moot."


Is it? What do you think most animes are based off of? Novels or mangas? Nah, not possible......................

Ok, I'll just pretend to ignore that for now. While I did commit to this analogy, I was trying to make a point: You, and these other folks who are in the same position as you, are judging the show ONE PIECE without having actually completed it to the current episode, let alone the last. Now that's fine if you were just saying you didn't like the show. But people, as I said before, rarely stop there. It's almost always an elitist contest of talking shit or trying to make others not want to watch the show by constantly saying negative things about it. THAT IS MY PROBLEM, OK BRAH?

This post was edited by Eep on Nov 11 2011 03:41pm
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Nov 11 2011 03:30pm
Quote (Touhou @ Nov 11 2011 01:08pm)
I'll take my leave.

Bros... at the end of the day, nobody but you two are gonna be making a big deal out of ABSOLUTELY nothing. This is like trying to make the democrats and republicans come to a reasonable compromise. It won't happen because everybody has their own opinion and for people like me, this shit annoys us. You hate one piece? Ok, keep it to yourself. You like one piece? Good, just don't flaunt it like it's better than everything else.

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Nov 11 2011 03:36pm
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Bros... at the end of the day, nobody but you two are gonna be making a big deal out of ABSOLUTELY nothing. This is like trying to make the democrats and republicans come to a reasonable compromise. It won't happen because everybody has their own opinion and for people like me, this shit annoys us. You hate one piece? Ok, keep it to yourself. You like one piece? Good, just don't flaunt it like it's better than everything else.

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That is hardly the issue my friend :[

The issue is that people aren't just having an opinion, they are making claims about one piece, claims that I argue are for the sake of trying to get others to NOT watch one piece.
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Nov 11 2011 03:38pm
shit just got religious
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Nov 11 2011 03:51pm
Eep, I'll get back at your last post later today. Gotta head out.
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Nov 11 2011 05:47pm
Quote (Touhou @ Nov 11 2011 04:51pm)
Eep, I'll get back at your last post later today. Gotta head out.


don't even bother


just read this part

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Ok, I'll just pretend to ignore that for now. While I did commit to this analogy, I was trying to make a point: You, and these other folks who are in the same position as you, are judging the show ONE PIECE without having actually completed it to the current episode, let alone the last. Now that's fine if you were just saying you didn't like the show. But people, as I said before, rarely stop there. It's almost always an elitist contest of talking shit or trying to make others not want to watch the show by constantly saying negative things about it. THAT IS MY PROBLEM, OK BRAH?
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Nov 11 2011 05:49pm
Quote (Eep @ Nov 11 2011 05:47pm)
don't even bother


just read this part


same shit for naruto brah
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Nov 11 2011 06:06pm
Quote (hurt_knee @ Nov 11 2011 06:49pm)
same shit for naruto brah


yeah but Eep doesn't give a shit about naruto

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