They had Phantom Menace, Attack of the Clones, Revenge of The Sith on TV today which I watched in sequence

Couple things I always go back and ask ...

Is Mace Windu still alive in theory? and if so has there been discussion to bring him back at all in a movie?
(And yes I've read about the Mace is Snoke Blah Blah)

Why did Obi Wan decide to become a force ghost when he could of stayed alive?

I read a little bit about it, but who is Revan and how far back does he date?

Now some questions about the upcoming film(s)

Although Luke is old in age, is he still considered a master in combat and could he or would he fight Kylo Ren having tried to guide him previously.

Who is Rey's parents?

Is Darth Plagueis still alive and if so, can he body switch? and did he create life?

Lots to answer, but just looking for opinions on some of this stuff, cheers

Mace - Probably not, people want him to be alive because he was so supposedly the most powerful lightsaber duelist.

Obi - how could he have stayed alive? He fought a superior opponent in one on one combat to allow the others escape. Rather than die pointlessly, he died giving Luke and Vader a lesson.

Revan is from the video game Knights of the Old Republic and holds no relevance in the movieverse.

Luke - We have no idea. The only fight he ever won against a sith was when he let himself he consumed by anger and the dark side. It's impossible to know how capable he is, but judging Kylo off his fight with a total amateur, you'd think a master like Luke could wreck him.

Rey's parents - I still like the Han/Leia twins theory, but we don't know. That would make Luke get Uncle, not her dad.

Darth P - Probably not. He was presumably murdered alone with only Sideus around, since a sith Lord wouldn't be sleeping in a location where anyone other than his apprentice could get to him, that's just not how they operate. They could pull out some bullshit, but it'd be pretty lame

Mace Windu is definitely dead.
Obi has been communicating with force ghosts for 20+ years and training his force side the entire time. I'm sure he thought it best for that to happen. No real reason is ever given.

I think Revan is part of legends and not the canon universe since Disney took over.

I think Kylo is going to be Reys fight alone. Luke might try and save him but I don't think we will see a Vader/Obi situation. That's obviously just speculation though.

Plagueis is dead. Episode 3 states that he died and there is no reason to think otherwise.

I disagree with this completely, people always say this and I can't help but wonder if they agree mentally challenged or just didn't pay attention to the situation.

First off Rey isn't really an amateur, she grew up surviving on a hostile junker planet. She has obviously been fighting her entire life. Look at how she dealt with the thieves near the beginning of the movie.

Secondly Kylo was extremely hurt, he was literally actively bleeding out from a shot from a wookie bowcaster, one of the most deadly and powerful weapons out there.

Thirdly Rey was fighting for her life, Kylo wasn't, he was trying to convert her not kill her. He was challenging her and wanted her to turn.

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This post was edited by IgoSoHard on Oct 8 2017 03:25pm

In theory ? Yeah, sure, he could pretty easily be alive, theoretically. Jedi can fall from incredibly high distances without dying. In fact they pretty much never die from falling. Sam L Jackson ran this same theory by George Lucas himself & he said “yeah, sure, you could still be alive.” Now there’s two major problems with this. One, if Mace did survive, wtf was he doing while the empire took over ? If you know anything about Windu, you know that doesn’t fit his personality in any capacity. Second & more importantly, George Lucas no longer has any creative input in SW movies. It would definitely be a stretch, however I love Windu as a character & hope they somehow either bring him back, or make some sort of anthropology movie about a younger Windu as an apprentice to Yoda or something like that. If you’d like to learn more about him I’d suggest reading the SW book centered around Windu ‘Shatterpoint’ It’d also make a badass Windu movie.


I think he basically realized at this point he wasn’t strong enough to defeat Vader, so he sought him out & fought him so he could buy Luke & co enough time to escape. He knew how to become a force ghost by this time due to training by Yoda & qui gon so he knew he could still communicate & help Luke.


Darth Revan was a jedi master/Sith lord during the era of the old republic. He was originally in a KotOR game & later in a novel ‘Revan’ ( which is an easy read & pretty good )He’s a very cool & interesting character as well as one of, if not the most powerful Jedi, ever. I could type out his whole sorry but it’s not anything you couldn’t read online yourself.

Yes, at this point Luke would be considered a Jedi Master. In the books, that are no longer canon, Jedi grandmaster Luke is basically op af. Well have to wait & see how exactly they portray him in the new movies. In terms of power, I would argue he could easily defeat Kylo, however Kylo is Luke’s ex-appretince, as well as his nephew so Luke wouldn’t kill him unless he was forced to.


We don’t know. However ‘The Force Awakens’ novel strongly alludes to whom it is. PM me if you’d like some potential spoilers.


I really, really, really hope so. However, no, probably not. Darth Plagueis is by far my favorite SW character. However unfortunately after Disney purchased Star Wars, the ‘Darth Plagueis’ novel became non-canon. Can he body switch ? No. This was a Sith technique that Siths used in the old republic era. Although he was incredibly powerful, I’d argue more so than Sidious in terms of raw power, we never saw any evidence he could body switch. That wasn’t something he sought after, instead he was obsessed with immortality. He actually did possess the ability to keep people from dying via manipulating their midichlorians. In the novel he was experimenting on a Sith, the Sith died, Plagueis brought him back, let him die, & repeated the process over & over, as Sidious watched, amazed. The plan was for Sidious to become chancellor, then declare Plagueis his co-chancellor, then if either was ever hurt or started to die, the other would use this ability to rejuvenate the other. Obviously this never happened as Sidious murdered Plagueis in is sleep, as he never truely felt that Plagueis viewer him as an equal & not just a pawn. Even though Plagueis actually did want him as an equal, & wanted to do away with the rule of two. In the novel everything that eventually happens, the starting of a conflict, secretly creating a clone army, creating a droid army, starting a war, not only eradicating the Jedi, but making them out to be the ‘real’ enemy, was part of Plagueis’ “grand plan” I’ve read around 30 SW books & the ‘Darth Plagueis’ novel is by far my favorite. To answer your last question, yes, in the novel Plagueis/Sidious, long story short, created life aka Anakin.

Same exact arguments that are ALWAYS made by people who liked/loved this movie, when talking to people who say this movie was meh or straight bad, because this is ALWAYS one of the scenes that's discussed.

It doesn't matter how trained someone is, Jedi and Sith are on entirely different levels. Look at the two most acclaimed bounty Hunters of all time. We got one who got wrecked in 2 seconds and one who got wrecked by a blind Jedi. Every single highly trained combatant that's come across a Jedi/Sith in one on one combat has been utterly destroyed. Yes, he was injured, but once again, he's still a trained Sith or whatever the fuck this subclass of evil Jedi is. He could have easily force choked/shocked Rey into submission if this wasn't a lazy plot forcing fight.

The truth is far more simple than he was too injured and Rey is a beast, or he's a bitch, or they made Rey way too OP, the truth is that Rey needed to escape to progress the story and begin her real training before fighting her cousin or brother again. Like many things in that movie, it was just pretty fucking lame, but it's not exactly like that's surprising lol, there hasn't been a great Star Wars movie since May 21, 1980. I'm hoping this next one is actually great, but I'm going to continue being highly critical when they're lazy with the writing, direction or casting. I'm critical of all films, but SW specifically I probably subconsciously hold to a sightly higher standard. It's probably worse because of the last 2x years of SW being pretty trashy.

We've seen other Jedis/Sith survive some haggard fucking shit in books/games etc, that are cannon. It's not like it's unreasonable that I'm irritated about that entire seen being boring and just lazy. I know that you feel like you HAVE TO show a Jedi duel, but you don't. Could have just left it out, had them escape after Han died and he got shot and it would have been an epic ending. I get that they wanted to further build on the painfully obvious connection between the two, but they had already done enough of that, you don't need to beat it into the audience, subtlety is a good thing most the time, but these fucking blockbuster films feel the need to spoon-feed us everything, it's pretty annoying.

Kylo isn't fully trained, he is no where near the level of a Jedi or Sith either. Yes he probably could have killed Rey with force powers, but killing her wasn't his motivation.

Yep i agree with all of this completely and made the same arguments over and over in tfa thread when it was troll city.

There was a reason we were shown how fucking capable that bow was throughout the film. Kylo took a fucking direct hit.. and was pissing blood during combat.

If he was trying to turn/capture her, he could have easily knocked her out, taken her, and turned her. It was just bad writing.... It was a somewhat entertaining movie and it had it's low points and high points, but that entire scene felt unnecessary and just bad to me. Obviously we disagree, and that's alright. Nothing wrong with disagreeing. Obviously he's tough if he can take a shot from a bowcaster, those weapons are pretty ridiculous. Also, how do you/i/we know the extent of his training? Who's to say he didn't train as traditional Jedi did, starting as a toddler and nearing the completion of his training in his 20s. Luke was able to become a master in a year, Anakin was more capable than most masters in his teenage years, even if he wasn't emotionally stable enough to be considered a master, his abilities were certainly the caliber of a master. I'm pretty sure Rey will be a master by the start of the next movie, Skywalkers are just OP as fuck, that's how it works. Would be pretty convenient if he and he alone was the first and only inept of the Skywalker bloodline, don't you think?

I completely understand where you and others are coming from with the fact that he was horrendously injured and that she had training, even if not traditional training, but training, so she should be able to hold her own. As I said before, every other instance where a non-jedi has challenged a trained jedi in one on one combat, they've been completely destroyed, that's just how shit goes, they're on an entirely different level. He already showed that he may be the most powerful force user we've ever encountered, maybe second to Yoda, but that's about it. It's ludicrous that if he wanted to capture her, that he wouldn't be able to. With the story and how it was told, he 100% wanted to capture her and he was unable to do so, making the entire thing just blah. Once again, this is just my own opinion and I feel my reasoning for feeling this way is pretty sound. I've covered all this stuff with the injury, her being trained etc... so many fucking times, but nothing even remotely comes close to explaining why eh couldn't just force choke a bitch out and be done with it. There's not a fucking thing she could have done to stop it, it's Vader's signature move, meaning he knows it and would be an expert at using it, as to not let his idol and Grandpappy down. It would have been entirely fitting for him to finish the fight and drag her away using an ability like that. Obviously that would hurt the stories progression and she wouldn't be training with Luke right now, she'd be becoming a Sith, because the lure of the dark side is pretty much absolute when a jedi is taken hostage and the sith are given long periods of time to twist them and turn them, which would have ruined the trilogy if you make the protagonist go evil immediately lol. Once again, it just seemed unnecessary, they had already done enough and they could have held off on the light-saber duel until it actually made sense. There were so many other things wrong/irritating with this film, but that was just one of the ones that people seem to incredibly adamant about defending or rebuking and I feel I've made my position clear concerning this singular problem with the story.

I'm still trying to be optimistic about the next one, I want it to be good and I'd love nothing more than to walk out of a Star Wars movie NEEDING to go see it again immediately. That would be the most amazing feeling in the world and one I haven't had in a painfully long amount of time. I just don't want them talking down to the audience, I loathe when movies do that and I hope they let people figure out some things on their own, without feeling the need to RAM it down our throats multiple times throughout a single movie in case one idiot in the theater still didn't get the connection.