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Nov 25 2013 08:54pm
I want to discuss this movie, and get some of your opinions on the film. I was super excited for this film (although I know I am late on finally getting to actually watch it), and it bummed me out when it got such a low ratings (5.9/10 on imdb and 40% on rt).


However, ignoring the critics and general public, I still viewed the movie with a fairly optimistic outlook. And I have to say that I really, really enjoyed it. The supernatural aspect to the film (Chang as God / Angel of Vengeance) was really cool, and the symbolism with Julian's hands throughout the film and their significance was also really interesting and well thought out and well delivered. In fact, Julian's character in general I thought was very interesting and unique. I saw some reviews of people comparing him to his character in Drive, but I am not seeing a single parallel between the two. Ryan Gosling's character in drive was quite simply a hero (yes, the song at the end of the movie pretty much nailed it - lol). He had heaps of integrity, was a genuine good guy, and all around badass hero figure. Don't know what else to say. Julian however, to put it bluntly, is kind of a scum bag. His character is a criminal, has a shitty family who are even bigger scum than he is (which rubbed off on him, I'm sure), and is not at all a hero figure. Although he has a couple redeeming moments in the film, and clearly has more good character than his brother or mom, it isn't enough to make him out as the "good guy". Throughout the movie he appeared to be the shell of a man, emotionally damaged by what we later can attribute to the weird relationship he has with his mom (and his brother too, I suppose).


Here is also a little something I came across on a discussion board which analyzes the significance of his hands throughout the movie, and the role of Chang and the supernatural aspect of him:

"Julian is full of regret and self-hatred because he killed his own father with his bare hands. He constantly looks at them. Julian has visions of Chang even before he ever met him in person in real life. When he is about to execute the murderer of Billy, he tells Julian what happened and he points towards his arm which got cut off. Now, Julian realizes this is exactly what happened in his first vision, and that Chang must be the same guy as the one from his vision. In the first vision Julian's arm gets cut off. In his seconds vision he washes his hand and suddenly blood comes out of the water-tap. This tells us no matter how hard Julian tries to get cleansed off his sins, he always has blood on his hands for killing his father. Then he sees that Chang is watching him from the door way. Then he finally meets Chang in real life in his boxing club and wants to know more about him, He follows him, Chang disappears. Leaving behind a confused Julian. Then at the karaoke bar the two make a special connection. I think Julian has only one single thought throughout the entire movie. He wants to fight God. He wants to get defeated, to get punished, to get cleansed, etc. So he challenges Chang to a fight. And he obviously knows by now WHO Chang is. He is God. At the end Julian finally gets what he wanted the entire time. Chang cuts off both his arms/hands, cleansing Julian of all his sins. Hence the title Only God Forgives"




Does anybody have any input / opinions / comments on or about the film? Like I said, I was pleasantly surprised after watching it. Ever since seeing it, I've rewatched it once, and I can't help but look back and like the movie even more as time passes.

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Nov 26 2013 12:34am
Sounds legit

Refn thanks Jodorowsky on credits (and is on Jodorowsky's Dune) so I think he was quite inspired by his surrealism and symbolism for this one. He also thanked Gaspar Noe and you can see that too a bit.
Will be rewatching at some point because saw it at 3 am or so in a fest
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Nov 26 2013 04:29am
Drive and place beyond the pines far outclass this movie.
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Nov 26 2013 09:10am
I liked two elements of this film:

I. Chang's character
II. A lot of the visual effects

I saw it and for whatever reason am just coming up with a blank as to what to say about it.


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Chang cuts off both his arms/hands, cleansing Julian of all his sins. Hence the title Only God Forgives


I'll agree Chang was more or less playing God, but he definitely did not forgive. He didn't spare anyone and he reminded me of Javier Bardem's character in No Country for Old Men a lot in that his vengeance was I) inevitable, II) pretty much executed indifferently, that is, without hate, disgust, etc., and III) brutal.

Gosling's character kind of did what he does a lot; cryptically drift through the movie. I liked the fight scene between him and Chang and the look they gave him after but didn't care for his relationship with his mother or that woman he brought to dinner with him (also, hearing "cumdumpster" out loud was off-putting).

I'll rewatch some scenes and comment again.


Quote (Blah58 @ Nov 26 2013 10:29am)
Drive and place beyond the pines far outclass this movie.


Definitely agree with this. Bronson, too.
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Nov 26 2013 06:30pm
The success of drive and ever growing popularity of Ryan gosling meant that the masses highly anticipated this movie. It also meant that people were inevitably going to compare the two films - (same director + lead role)

Your OP is a sound take on the movie, I enjoyed reading so thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts

So I agree with your interpretation of the movie, the character roles and symbolic references however I can see why many users have given the movie a low rating - simply because the average viewer (most of the time myself included :p not patronising or being pretentious here) will completing miss these points and their meanings!
Let's face it MOST people loved drive because of the cool 80smusic, awesome driving and Ryan gosling basically being a mysterious bad ass hero figure!
Only god forgives is completely different - as for the critic score I dunno... Maybe the movie tried too hard at times... Too arty

Meh I really liked it though, seen it once few months back and I remember reflecting on Julians weird relationship with the mother after watching.. I thought he was abused or at least had an extremely innapropriate relationship going on, I remember some strange behaviours Julian had with the prostitue and I interpreted them as recurring sexual experiences he must of had growing up...iirc one of them had him tied to the bed as she pleasured herself? Maybe I'm remembering wrong!
Anyway I will watch again soon with your points in mind
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Nov 26 2013 06:48pm
Quote (WelSh @ Nov 26 2013 06:30pm)
The success of drive and ever growing popularity of Ryan gosling meant that the masses highly anticipated this movie. It also meant that people were inevitably going to compare the two films - (same director + lead role)

Your OP is a sound take on the movie, I enjoyed reading so thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts

So I agree with your interpretation of the movie, the character roles and symbolic references however I can see why many users have given the movie a low rating - simply because the average viewer (most of the time myself included :p not patronising or being pretentious here) will completing miss these points and their meanings!
Let's face it MOST people loved drive because of the cool 80smusic, awesome driving and Ryan gosling basically being a mysterious bad ass hero figure!
Only god forgives is completely different - as for the critic score I dunno... Maybe the movie tried too hard at times... Too arty

Meh I really liked it though, seen it once few months back and I remember reflecting on Julians weird relationship with the mother after watching.. I thought he was abused or at least had an extremely innapropriate relationship going on, I remember some strange behaviours Julian had with the prostitue and I interpreted them as recurring sexual experiences he must of had growing up...iirc one of them had him tied to the bed as she pleasured herself? Maybe I'm remembering wrong!
Anyway I will watch again soon with your points in mind


The reason this movie is worse than drive(basically the same movie) is because of how much unneeded violence and gore this one had. It was there just to be there. It wasn't trying to do anything other than be violent.
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Nov 26 2013 07:09pm
Quote (Blah58 @ Nov 26 2013 05:48pm)
The reason this movie is worse than drive(basically the same movie) is because of how much unneeded violence and gore this one had. It was there just to be there. It wasn't trying to do anything other than be violent.


I think you fall into the category of viewers that WelSh mentioned. You clearly missed the message(s) of the film and looked past the intriguing characters that Refn created.

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Nov 27 2013 05:49pm
Quote (Blah58 @ Nov 27 2013 12:48am)
The reason this movie is worse than drive(basically the same movie) is because of how much unneeded violence and gore this one had. It was there just to be there. It wasn't trying to do anything other than be violent.


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Dec 5 2013 05:18am
I love that movie!
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Dec 6 2013 02:25am
Quote (Here4you @ Dec 5 2013 04:18am)
I love that movie!


Glad I am not the only one. :)

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