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Aug 21 2017 04:48am
The problem with Bran being the Night King, the three eyed raven said that he would never walk again. But he would fly. And he has flown by warging into the crows. Given that we've seen the night king walking about, that would invalidate what was said.
Plus, we saw the scene where the night king was created.

Then there's the whole thing from the book where they left many points to who he was prior, not all of them making it into the show. Most specifically, that his name was once Brynden and the theory is that he is Brynden "Bloodraven" Rivers.
However, the show does make a reference to it. When bran first makes it to the cave, the three eyed raven says that he’s been watching them with “a thousand eyes and one.” “A Thousand Eyes and One” is a song about Bloodraven, and also an answer to a riddle about him — “How many eyes does Bloodraven have?”

As for the clothes, it's northerner garb. The man we saw being turned into what is heavily implied to be the night king, is one of the first men. Where would northerner's get their style from if not the first men?

I suppose they could retcon things if they wanted, but I'm not buying it right now.

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Aug 21 2017 05:05am
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Aug 21 2017 06:41am)
I've always assumed that the NK is as old as time itself, and while it's possible I guess that Bran is too, I think the NK came before people did.


Brief history: CotF were in Westeros first. Then the 1st men came and started a war. CotF created NK (and therefore other WWs) as a reaction to the conflict. All 3 species have existed ever since.

Because the 3ER exists outside the linear construct of time (lame mechanic for scfi-fi/fantasy shit I know) it's possible that whatever entity was created when the CotF made the NK is the same entity that Bran became when he assimilated with the 3ER. Basically, everything makes so little sense that even the vaguest whisper of a hint turns into a theory (because anything is possible).

Also, think about this theory from a storytelling perspective. Episode 1, Jaime pushes Bran out the window. At that time, the audience is made to feel negatively towards Jaime and sympathetic towards Bran. 7 seasons later, our feelings towards Jaime have shifted dramatically (some theories even have him as the final hero of the story). If Bran were to end up being the main villain, it would the perfect irony of us being able to look back and think "damn if only Jaime had killed Bran right then!". That's exactly the kind of stuff that GRRM likes to pull, so the theory is consistent with the narrative structure.

Btw, not saying I subscribe to this theory, just trying to spit out a brief summary of what has been put out thee by others.

Quote (Arsenic_Touch @ Aug 21 2017 06:48am)
The problem with Bran being the Night King, the three eyed raven said that he would never walk again. But he would fly. And he has flown by warging into the crows. Given that we've seen the night king walking about, that would invalidate what was said.
Plus, we saw the scene where the night king was created.


By that logic, Bran warging Hodor would also have invalidated the 3ER's statement. But we know he walked around as Hodor.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Aug 21 2017 05:07am
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By that logic, Bran warging Hodor would also have invalidated the 3ER's statement. But we know he walked around as Hodor.


He also warged into summer, before and after the three eyed raven said it. And both summer and hodor are dead. Dead after he made that statement.

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Aug 21 2017 05:51am
I hope this Bran theory is not true, just seems a little too "out there". Don't think I would like it, although without knowing the details I guess I can't judge.

Either way, I assume Bran will play an important role soon enough... he was nowhere to be seen in this episode.

Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Aug 20 2017 10:15pm)
No and it never has been.....


Oh, good to know. I guess it's just in my head, then :P.

Reason is, I thought all the dialogue by the guys beyond the wall was a little crude for GoT. Seemed out of place for some reason.




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Aug 21 2017 06:48am
Went back and checked the episode.

http://i.imgur.com/eC1gfUl.png

Shows where the chains came from, there's one already there. They specifically had that camera angle to show where it came from most likely.
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Aug 21 2017 08:29am
How did Jon survive that :rofl:
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Aug 21 2017 08:33am
Last night's episode was the first of this season that I didn't like. It was imo probably the worst in the entire series. The amount of plot holes, clichés, forced convenient situations, and unnecessary events was over the top.

At least Thoros and his overpowered resurrection ability is out of the way. And Littlefinger seems to be having things go his way in Winterfell, which definitely bodes well for the show's interest.

Hopefully shit will hit the fan in the next episode. Either at King's Landing or Winterfell... or both... hope to see some deaths, treason and chaos.
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Last night's episode was the first of this season that I didn't like. It was imo probably the worst in the entire series. The amount of plot holes, clichés, forced convenient situations, and unnecessary events was over the top.

At least Thoros and his overpowered resurrection ability is out of the way. And Littlefinger seems to be having things go his way in Winterfell, which definitely bodes well for the show's interest.

Hopefully shit will hit the fan in the next episode. Either at King's Landing or Winterfell... or both... hope to see some deaths, treason and chaos.


I thought when they were up north surrounded by the walkers Jon and everyone would be granted flying abilities :lol: Or Iron man suits would drop down from the sky and they would just blow everything up
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I thought when they were up north surrounded by the walkers Jon and everyone would be granted flying abilities :lol: Or Iron man suits would drop down from the sky and they would just blow everything up


Everything that happened up there was so fucking stupid. At the point where they were surrounded I really thought there was no realistic way around, but I knew Jon wouldn't die... honestly, I was imagining that the walkers would kill everyone, but the Night King would spare and imprison Jon for some future plan... maybe he'd turn out to be immune to icy stuff in the same way Daenerys is to fire or something... that would be weird, but still would make more sense than all the bs that happened.
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