No and it never has been.....

You're a fucking cunt.

Even if they can't swim, maybe they can stand on the ground at the bottom of the lake.

All they gotta do is feed the chain down there and then the ones who fell down could hook it up

Hardhome was a port, there could have been chains there for ships. The wildlings also had chains for the mammoths and the giants, they were used to pull down the gate at castle black.

As for getting them around the dragon, the wights can't swim, you don't know that the white walkers can't swim. They're pretty agile.

This post was edited by Arsenic_Touch on Aug 20 2017 11:57pm

what do people think about the whole Bran=NK theory?

This.

People get hung on the stupidest things and it honestly upsets me that people can take the time to make a huge rage essay online and not once think that just fucking maybe they sacrificed a couple hundred or even a couple thousand walkers for an undead dragon.

The fast travel shit is a little annoying, but I'd honestly much rather they do that, than the alternative of watching John and company sit around for 3 episodes taking turns sleeping and eating their provisions sparingly while Danny flies North. Before, when there were a billion things going on, it was fine when it took 3 to 10 episodes to get somewhere. Now, the plots are all pretty tied up and the ones left are all HEAVILY connected. It just makes sense to speed you things like travel and move forward with the plot vs multiple episodes of people eating, shitting and sleeping.

My biggest concern and only thing irritating me horribly is WHY THE FUCK hasn't John sent a Raven to Winterfell? Oh, all this crazy shit is going on, but I literally got us an infinite supply of the one thing needed to kill walkers and I'm going to get proof of the enemy to combine all of Westeros against the only enemy that matters. Don't lose faith and start following a new leader or do any other stupid shit, I'll be back soon.

Edit : I apologize for the typos btw. I just got a new phone and I'm still getting accustomed to all it's little quirks and it's figuring out how I write still.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Aug 21 2017 03:50am

Physically, I think that they were born at different times in different bodies.

But I totally buy a scenario in which their consciousness are combined in some way, either Bran becoming the new NK or them merging into one entity.

Anyone feel like giving me a summary of this?

This seems like absolute fucking bullshit, but I'm interested in hearing what the theory is lol.

Once the show starts dabbling in anything close to time travel, the door is open to this stuff. Bran's consciousness exists in all time periods. Bran's 'dreamstate' allowed him to go back in time and affect Hodor. NK was also able to 'mark' Bran in that same reality, so whatever 'hivemind' Bran is plugged into is also a place that NK has some power. There was an ancient Stark ancestor also named Bran, which may be the same person as our Bran. Bran/NK are the only 2 entities on the planet that understand the full context of the conflict between the living and the dead.

For a comparison, think of the Lich King in Warcraft (there must always be a Lich King). So if someone were to kill the NK maybe Bran would have to take over. Maybe he is the Nk already or is able to share the consciousness with him in a way that will allow Bran to become the next one.

note the clothes worn by each:


This post was edited by Kayeto on Aug 21 2017 04:28am

The clothes thing is pretty weird... huh, maybe there's something to this. Seems kind of stupid to me, but I assume it's possible. I've always assumed that the NK is as old as time itself, and while it's possible I guess that Bran is too, I think the NK came before people did. I'm aware of the legendary Bran Stark, but I always just thought this was Martin being thorough as per usual and that it wouldn't have any bearing whatsoever on the show itself. We'll see what happens, but I also don't think there's anywhere near to enough time to aptly explain something this complicated in so little fucking time. We'll know before too long, that's the nicest thing about all this speculating we've done lately . It'll all be over soon and then our questions will be over. Well, at least until the new book comes out and then we'll see how fucking crazy different it is and we'll have another 10,000 things to speculate about while we're waiting 10 years for hopefully the final book.