well he obviously has already written some of it, explains why first eps were good

feels like a dodge


where exactly does it fall short now?

the last ep? highly regarded as one of the top eps of the whole show perhaps?

last ep was decent, but best ? lol not a chance

def in the top eps man


anyway, seem like only eps 5-8 you have a problem with. Not actually the season as a whole.

You probably did actually like those episodes too bar a couple scenes and just jumped on the bandwagon.

ep 2 from this season was the best out of this season so far.

this is so fkin backwards

This season has lacked epic moments that live up to to the deaths of Ned, Robb, Catelyn, Oberyn and Tywin.

There have been some weak links (arya/dorne) , but overall the char development of Jamie, Brienne, Sandor, Sansa, Yara, Cersei, High Sparrow have all been at least average in quality compared to previous seasons.

We have to push through the action shit because, without it, none of the surrounding drama would have any real weight to it. The battles serve a purpose, but most of the complaints I've heard in this thread were about the last episodes being boring due to lack of action. The transformer fans are the ones complaining.

This post was edited by kayeto on Jun 22 2016 09:44am

This season has actually had a bit more character development and less action orientated scenes than the rest of the seasons (let's just pretend the sand snake storyline didn't happen because that was really the only weak point this season) but it's also had less of the twists of the books because the writers were basically given the cliff notes and don't have the intricacies to push the narrative forward like they did with the novels to back them. That's why we saw the direct storylines with no twists instead of the elaborate set ups. We saw all the foreshadowing of certain events but no payoffs because they focused on driving the story forward instead of building up those in between plot points. If I had any complaints about the season it would be that. But the season was still overall stronger than the previous ones and is being regarded nearly universally as the best so far.

I'm not sure if that statement is supposed to represent a disagreement with what you quoted, but I think they still had a lot of leftover stuff from books 4+5 to grab onto.

Jon's resurrection, Arya's training, and Sam meeting his father were examples of things that had been set up so concretely in the books that the S5 writers could just push them to their logical conclusion without needing to blaze their own trail.

The Euron, Meribald and "Jamie go to the Riverlands and negotiate with a holdout" plotlines were examples of things that the show hadn't covered at all yet, meaning they were able to do their typical direct adaptation process to cover them and they worked out just fine.

All things considered, there were some weak points but I feel like this season stacked up as at least an average season. It's falls short mainly because it didn't produce another moment as good as the Red Wedding (but it probably never will, and the book might either for that matter).

This post was edited by kayeto on Jun 22 2016 10:18am

poor giant. At least something happened in this episode

I wasn't disagreeing with you.