^ Because he didn't help at all

Yet another example of you forcing shit that doesn't fit, because it's the only thing you're capable of doing to support your argument. You've provided a single instance that could be construed as agenda and the ONLY person who agrees with you about any other examples is the most bigoted and idiotic person in this entire forum, but ya, everyone is on your side here....

Guy makes a mistake that cost the lives of all his students and pushes his most promising pupil to the Dark Side and even though he eventually does help Rey, confront his mistakes and saves everyone, he's a whiny weak cuck and that's just anti-man propaganda. It's just hilarious how we're tricked by the end message with Holdo and Poe, they make us think Holdo is an idiot, but really she's the best and Poe is a moron in the end, but then the end message of Luke overcoming his mistakes is completely irrelevant and only how he acts initially matters. The only thing consistent about your half-assed examples of propaganda are how inconsistent they are.



That's a good question and I don't think there's any possible way to answer it correctly tbh. More often than not, who's involved with a movie determines how much agenda will/can be involved. If it's a giant studio blockbuster with the singular goal of making as much money as possible by pandering to as many people as possible, they're not going to purposefully force an agenda that would ostracize millions of people, it doesn't make any sense. Determining where the line is, requires common sense, something that's severely lacking in the world today, but if I had to to say how I'd determine whether or not an agenda was being pushed, it would be based on whether or not it was a continued theme throughout the film. This has been my main point of contention with Guyladumbass over there, as there is no theme, just his batshit crazy imagined sense of one that he heard about from equally stupid YouTubers.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Sep 8 2019 06:18pm

Luke is only the most powerful "Jedi" because he is the only "Jedi". He never finished his training and he was never a true Jedi. Throughout the original series he constantly showed fear, selfishness, anger and weakness. Look at when he went to save Han, he was not a hero he was totally going in with bad intentions. Plus he vanished from the Galaxy for decades, a thing which was set up in TFA not TLJ, saying that shows extreme apathy isn't incorrect. It's not a 180, it's a follow through of his actual traits that were shown in the movies and ignoring the mythical figure that the fandom has built up over 30+ years basically randomly.

This couldn't be further from the truth based on the canon lore outside of the movies.

lol The movie is gonna make money regardless.. why? because it is a blockbuster. Even tho I have these views of the previous film I will probably still see the last installment. Like 3 other people on the first page said the same thing even tho they had low expectations. Even tho they actually did ostracize many viewers with the content of the movie it will still make money. I mean ive followed the franchise through 8 films... im probably gonna see the very last one... dopey. You can say there isn't a hint of SJW message in the film, yet ive provided 5+ examples from the film that support my argument. What have u provided to disprove my argument dummy? Called me batshit lol.
Insulted random youtubers who took the time to make solid videos supporting my side? Attack a very based and clear poster on here who supports me? You have Blah taking up your side... lol

ur clearly just a waterboy for the debate club because you didn't make the team... calling someone batshit doesn't win arguments.. dummy.

Your *five* examples have been disproved time and time again lol... It's nonsense to say slavers selling weapons and children to nazis is an anti-rich message. The whole Luke thing has been ripped apart from the start, as has your constant shrieking about all male characters being made out to be weak cucks and all women being strong independent women who don't need no man. The only possible shot there could be in the entire fucking movie was the Holdo situation, but you yourself fucked up that point after saying it wouldn't have been anything if the rolls were reversed lol.

You've done nothing but talk out your ass since this thing started and again, the ONLY person who's agreed with you on all accounts, has been the proudest bigot on Jsp, so kudos on that one buddy.

They're going to make money anyway, why would a company that only cares about money give a shit if they made less money? What's super fucking hilarious about this is that TLJ was a huge part of the reason on why they had to cancel a bunch of spin-offs and slow down the whole SW landslide in the first place, which was the absolute last thing they wanted. Go read my facetious review of The Secret Life of Pets 2, as stated before, it doesn't matter if you've seen the movie, it perfectly embodies your absolutely insane way of looking at things. It'd also be easier to take you seriously if you had any thoughts of your own lol. It's precisely why you can't actually debate your points and only say the same shit over and over. YouTube told you what to be mad about and outside their direct comments, you have no commentary of your own to provide.


Come back and try again when you're able to formulate an actual retort to anything that's not a direct quote from a right-wing nutter on YouTube

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Sep 9 2019 05:44pm

... k u can say he showed some of those traits/emotions through a few of the films. But he ultimately overcomes them in the final film. And I can also pretty strongly argue that he showed/represented hope throughout all 3 films. But in TLJ it seems like he abandons all hope...? Seems like a complete 180 to me. From a 'New Hope', to no hope?

k w/e if its part of the story … but he now fits the narrative of every male character, even the 'mythical' hero from the originals, as a weak coward or other. And you argued Poe was just been shown for the character traits he has, but now Lukes Hope and optimism which he has consistently shown is now abandoned in a matter of a shallow background story? Hes now a negative male, along with every other male, shown in a negative way. Where females are overall shown in a more positive way. It just seems like a theme that goes along strongly with current feminism movement.

Dude they even took a shot at a dead Han Solo in TLJ... benicios character, who is a double crossing villain male talks about how Han was somehow a piece of shit because he smuggled or someshit…? Not only do they kill off a beloved hero, they shit on him in the next film. Cant even RIP. Just disgraceful film overall.

There is almost zero canon lore outside of the movies.



"He abandoned all hope and didn't overcome his feelings which is totally why he stopped himself from killing Kylo, helped Rey train in the force and eventually saved the resistance" lol right?

This post was edited by Blah58 on Sep 9 2019 06:00pm

The fact that he has to bring up shit outside the movies, just shows how thin his argument is. It's a pointless conversation man, no matter what you say, he'll twist some shit to convince himself that this was an anti-white, anti-man, anti-capitalist movie hell-bent on forcing liberal dicks down his throat.

He'd probably enjoy it tbh.

Ok stupid.. when there are people like Snoke and the last order in a film, but the exact line to describe a group of wealthy whites and grunt little aliens as the "worst Kind" of beings. Just the set up off the scene is that line then a cut to people gambling. It could be perceived as a shot. Its not like the scene set up was, 'you know, these folk help the "worst type' of people, the last order by selling slaves and abusing animals etc. they are really bad people (but clearly not pure evil 'worst kind' of people like snoke..lol) No its these are "the worst kind" of people, cut directly to shot of wealthy.. and then its later explained in the film that they do some bad shit and are slavers. THAT iS LATER EXPLAINED. But the direct set up is "worst kind of people' goes directly to shot of wealthy. Then its explained why they are bad. Its a shot dummy.

the thing with Holdo dummy... is the role wasn't reversed? Like if it was ok heres a male hero here is a female that is shown in a bad way... then YA, it would weaken my argument. But its not? IT literally fits right into the narrative im speaking about.. So wtf are u talking about stupid.? If it was switched then it would undermine my argument and weaken it. But the fact that it doesn't? Do you not comprehend that?

U really are an idiot. You just contradicted yourself... You said earlier why would they push an agenda in a film and ostracize millions of people and lose money. But then u just said here that they had to cancel a bunch of spin-offs, losing millions/billions of dollars, and that the TLJ was a 'huge part of the reason why'... WHOA WHOA WHOA so millions of viewers were ostracized or put off by TLJ? Could it be because of an agenda pushed on the viewer?... maybe... so its not just me, or the other guy supporting me, or thousands of youtubers, but millions of other people? SO they did ostracize people with the last movie? which is what ive been saying?

Movie is bad because bad... right?