Quote (stupidkid282 @ Dec 19 2017 05:52pm)

1. Snoke SHOULD have been a "real" character. That's the point. Fans can COMPLETELY blame the movie for not creating a better story. It's not an overreacting, it's about good story telling and they fucking blew it.......

2. I am pissed about Rose, I believe i already stated that in this or the other thread. It was a great opportunity to let Finn die. HOWEVER, that doesn't pair well with the tone of the movie, especially opening fighting sequence.


Let me repeat. I really like star wars, i liked the movie, but it had many flaws. I am eager to see how they wrap up this trilogy.......not much is really going on. The rebellion is small, the first order is also dwindling with poor leadership, and none of the rest of the galaxy seems to care

Quote (Blah58 @ Dec 19 2017 08:08pm)

1) no he should not have been a real character because that's not the direction they were taking the story, you may not like the direction they went with the story but to say that it is bad story telling is absurd.

2) who the fuck said anything about Rose? Honestly what the fuck are you even talking about? Can you read?

Quote (WhoBut_WBMason @ Dec 19 2017 06:10pm)

hes talking about the part where finn tried to kamikaze the breaching cannon thing

Quote (Blah58 @ Dec 19 2017 08:17pm)

I know what he is taking about, but I wasn't talking about anything related to that so I'm confused as to why he brought it up. I guess it is one of those "putting words into someone's mouth so he can argue something no one cares about" things happening again.

Quote (Blah58 @ Dec 20 2017 01:08am)

1) no he should not have been a real character because that's not the direction they were taking the story, you may not like the direction they went with the story but to say that it is bad story telling is absurd.

2) who the fuck said anything about Rose? Honestly what the fuck are you even talking about? Can you read?

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Dec 19 2017 06:27pm)

It is bad story telling.....I am going to take the opinion of the mass majority of the internet over yours on this one.




2. My bad, I thought you were referring to rose, didnt see "the start"

Quote (Surfpunk @ Dec 19 2017 05:45pm)

I'll agree that how they dealt with Snoke leaves a little to be desired, and that Leia Force-pulling herself through space was just ridiculous, but overall, I like the direction they're taking.

IMO, the most important line in the whole film was one delivered by Yoda, where he told Luke that failure is the best teacher (don't remember the exact line, but that was the gist of it). Luke has learned a lot of failure over the years, and it becomes pretty apparent that he couldn't make himself pass that on ("Pass on what you have learned"). This CHANGED Luke in a very material way. A way which I believe led him to decide to 'ignite that spark', so to speak. It's a spark that will ignite a sea change in how the Force is used (we saw a tiny sliver of that near the end, with the children).

In all honesty, this 'spark ignition' totally reminds me of a completely different nerd-realm: Buffy the Vampire Slayer. For those who don't know/didn't watch Buffy, in the finale of the show, Willow (the character played by Alyson Hannigan) takes the essence of the slayer out of a mystical scythe, and sends that power into the world, so that any girl who had the potential to be a slayer, would be a slayer. No more 'chosen one'. This is a completely new path for the Force, one which shows a Gray Jedi, rather than the stark 'White Jedi/Black Sith' contrast.

Quote (Blah58 @ Dec 20 2017 02:11am)

It isn't bad storytelling. You may not like the story but it isn't bad storytelling. Whether storytelling is done well or not isn't really opinion based. Whether you like the story or not is opinion based.

And the "mass majority of the internet" thing isn't exactly true. The movie is extent polarizing yes but the hate vs like balance isn't as off tilt as you seem to think.

For example it has been proven that review sites like RT are getting review bombed by bots to down voted tlj. So the 40% or whatever it is at is extremely inaccurate.

Plus the petition to remake epi8 only has like 5k signatures so... Clearly not a lot of traction there.

If the story was supposed to be about snoke then yes killing him like that without offering any explanation of his past and then switching focus to Kylo would have been bad storytelling, but the movies were NEVER about snoke. He is a mcguffin.

Like imagine he is the briefcase in pulp fiction. You never see what is inside the briefcase because it doesn't fucking matter.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Dec 19 2017 09:37pm)

Let's add this super interesting mystery character in The Force Awakens and then KILL HIM without providing any substance. Great.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Dec 19 2017 07:37pm)

I am not talking about review websites, not at all....nor am I talking about the petition.



You don't get to decide what the movie is or isn't about. You can't tell us that it wasn't about Snoke just because he died. If he lived, would you say the same? You have no idea what their intentions are.



It Is BAD storytelling to have a mystery antagonist who never actually adds to the story and is killed off because Kylo needs tolet goof everything, yippe.

Let's add this super interesting mystery character in The Force Awakens and then KILL HIM without providing any substance. Great.