Quote (StephanePare @ Jun 20 2014 02:36am)

Yes, the tv series didn't talk enough about the secret tunnels.  In the novels, they kept talking about rumors of secret tunnels, and in this scene when he makes Tyrion escape, Varys tells him that a previous hand of the king had them made so he could fuck whores and maried wives without being caught, because his reputation was spotless perfect, and he didn't want to risk that.

so once tyrion vanishes out of there and no one can find out how he disappeared, Varys becomes the sole suspect.  We've already seen how trials are a sham and they really don't give a shit about proof as long as they can pin a guilty verdict on someone.

On top of that, Varys is playing a much, much deeper game.  Things will happen in his "absence" (he can live in these tunnels infinitely if he wants to) that plays into his greater game plan.  I can explain in PM if someone wants, but i'd rather not spoil here.

Quote (kayeto @ 20 Jun 2014 02:43)

As I remember it, the tunnel that you are referring to there was just the one that led out of Chataya's brothel. The system of tunnels in the Red Keep go back (obviously) to when it was built and therefore predate the aforementioned HotK. The system that Tyrion used in this episode was for a much broader purpose.

Quote (StephanePare @ Jun 20 2014 02:45am)

Hmm, are you sure they're different tunnels?  I didn't remember 2 different tunnel networks, but you could be right.  Unless they're connected, because i'm fairly sure Tyrion used the whoring tunnel to enter the hand's rooms, as it was built for that purpose

Quote (Hildegard @ 20 Jun 2014 03:04)

How long do we have to wait for the next episode (next season) ?

Quote (Pankkake @ Jun 20 2014 08:53pm)

You mean how long do we have to wait until you spoil more episodes?

Quote (StephanePare @ Jun 20 2014 12:45am)

Hmm, are you sure they're different tunnels?  I didn't remember 2 different tunnel networks, but you could be right.  Unless they're connected, because i'm fairly sure Tyrion used the whoring tunnel to enter the hand's rooms, as it was built for that purpose

Quote (Vick2Jackson @ Jun 20 2014 11:48pm)

the tunnel was created so that the hand could bring in whores without anyone knowing.

the entire tunnel system is connected, and they did a very poor job at portraying it.

Quote (StephanePare @ Jun 19 2014 11:36pm)

Then, there's the timing of the whole shae thing.  Tyrion's been whoring all his life, but somehow it wasn't until he took Shae that his father threatened to kill any whore he associated with.  Then Tyrion falls, and Shae is magically in Tywin's bed.  It would also explain why a lowly whore would laugh at the threat of one of the most powerful men in all of westeros.  She's shown herself a good judge of people's character in many scene, she's not silly, but somehow Tywin's threat never intimidated her, and she kept reassuring Tyrion not to worry.  That would explain why, and Tywin having the tunnels built while Varys was master of secrets would explain Varys knowing them by heart in detail as well, and no one else.

Quote (wafflehunter @ Jun 21 2014 06:17pm)

wait, so ur saying shae and tywin were fucking already while she was still with tyrion?

i thought she really loved him and was just pissed after he made her leave