rains of castemere or whatever the lannister song and mhyssa the daenerys song?

1) A Lannister always pays his debts
2) Mhyssa

Basically rains of castamere and lannister always pays his debts are the same. But the latter is more heroic.

i like how tywin died

but why did that bald fat guy varys? have to leave?

he helped the tyrion escape and was planning on staying

but just because tyrion went on a rampage now he has to leave?


helping the guy who's accused of poisoning the king is already a 10/10 on a scale of risk taken, and varys already had plans and was confident in them that he was able to stay in king's landing

now that tywin's dead, adding more to the risk, but risk level is already maxed out at 10/10 and so therefore his original plan of staying in kings landing would still work

besides jamie is staying (im assuming) after all cersei is there plus he's a king's guard

and also for a political rat, wouldnt it be the best time to try and assume a more powerful position

Varys had to leave because as he was on the ship overseeing Tyrion's departure, the bells in the city rang meaning someone discovered Tywin dead. Varys knew that anyone spotting him coming from the ships back into the city would be too risky, so he came to the realization that his time in Kings Landing for the time being was over. Also, I am sure people will wonder about Tyrion's escape and how he was able to access Tywin's chamber. They will probably discover the hidden tunnels, and who better to talk to about hidden tunnels than a spider?

Varys is concerned about the realm as a whole, not just Westeros. He knows that Tyrion is a good person in addition to being cunning and intelligent, which is good for the realm, so seeing his head on a pike wouldn't help. Plus, I believe Varys held Tyrion at a higher status than most people he knows (maybe not a friend, but close enough to it haha).

This post was edited by proph21 on Jun 19 2014 06:11pm

Found that to be very entertaining... thanks.



Varys had to leave, he knew his time was up if he went back. As for Jamie.. he has the love of his sister, son and the people to keep his head on his shoulders.

Next season... whom shall be "The Hand"

tommen doesnt really have a hand for quite awhile...

Cersei makes all his decisions as Queen Regent for the time being

This post was edited by Vick2Jackson on Jun 19 2014 07:32pm

What a smart guy

iirc, Hand of the King was given to some character who has barely been included in the TV show (think he showed up once in season 2). They will probably ignore the question in the show or else just give it to Mace Tyrell since he happens to be sitting there anyways and it wouldn't affect the show in any way for him to have it.

This post was edited by kayeto on Jun 19 2014 09:12pm

Yes, the tv series didn't talk enough about the secret tunnels. In the novels, they kept talking about rumors of secret tunnels, and in this scene when he makes Tyrion escape, Varys tells him that a previous hand of the king had them made so he could fuck whores and maried wives without being caught, because his reputation was spotless perfect, and he didn't want to risk that.

so once tyrion vanishes out of there and no one can find out how he disappeared, Varys becomes the sole suspect. We've already seen how trials are a sham and they really don't give a shit about proof as long as they can pin a guilty verdict on someone.

On top of that, Varys is playing a much, much deeper game. Things will happen in his "absence" (he can live in these tunnels infinitely if he wants to) that plays into his greater game plan. I can explain in PM if someone wants, but i'd rather not spoil here.

edit: The thing about the former hand who built the tunnels, we've never had a confirmation, but it could very very well be Tywin.

Part of what made Tywin so mad at Tyrion is that he sees so much of himself in him, yet he can't admit a dwarf responsible for his wife's death as his own heir, it hurts too much. In this respect, about his wife's death while birthing Tyrion, he's as broken inside as his daughter.

This would explain why he's so damn mad at Tyrion for doing something nearly every noble in the realm does anyway without remorse.

Then, there's the timing of the whole shae thing. Tyrion's been whoring all his life, but somehow it wasn't until he took Shae that his father threatened to kill any whore he associated with. Then Tyrion falls, and Shae is magically in Tywin's bed. It would also explain why a lowly whore would laugh at the threat of one of the most powerful men in all of westeros. She's shown herself a good judge of people's character in many scene, she's not silly, but somehow Tywin's threat never intimidated her, and she kept reassuring Tyrion not to worry. That would explain why, and Tywin having the tunnels built while Varys was master of secrets would explain Varys knowing them by heart in detail as well, and no one else.

This post was edited by StephanePare on Jun 20 2014 12:44am