I don't think Jamie is villainous at all. Yes he was an entitled prick at the start, and the audience is basically tricked into rooting for the Starks, and he is a Lannister so we are supposed to hate him. But I think the show doors a really good job at showing there isn't really a good or bad side. There are just sides who are against eachother. I mean obviously cersei is a crazy bitch, but the people under her don't share those characteristics (for the most part). The people are just trying to defend their Kingdom, doing what they think is right. Even Jamie.

Actually the guests on Thronecast were discussing something similar on the show after last sunday's episode. They were actually discussing how well the show has managed character development for the so called baddies and how even the most twisted of characters have all gone through tormenting circumstances before arriving at who they are today. Even Cersie, psycho as she may be, (side note - Lena Heady has fucking killed it from the start, amazing in her role) She still has a whole past life of completely horrible circumstances that have made her who she is today.

I see your point too, kinda like 'all's fair in love and war' - That's where Jaime is at right now imo, he knows his sister is bonkers but he's still doing what he thinks is right to win the war and bring peace to the kingdom under her rule - his response to Bronn questioning the likelyhood of peace - "stranger things have happened" - he has belief in what he's doing.

Even so, there are definitely villainous characters, perhaps Jaime isn't one of them.. i guess i've just thought of him in that way ever since he pushed Brann out of that window. But he's an interesting character and i still root for him so go figure.

Littlefinger - Villainous yea?

Definitely easier to paint him as a villain than Jaimie, but I like Baelish way more.

Baelish is what Sam's ceiling could have been if he had been more motivated to take the world by the throat and fuck it. Baelish is Mayor Carcetti who found a way to travel through time and space to another world. I root for him. People who are clever and manipulative will always find their way into power, it's an inevitable human truth. Baelish dying would just mean another one like him takes his place.

jon wrote that shit on the caves himself to trick the dragon lady

all so did jon and the dragon lady have sex in the cave?

Same thought occurred to me. Even if he didn't write it, Dany should have wondered if he did, making the whole scene not very convincing.



Depends how strictly you wanna define sex.

If they were walking side by side squeezing through the narrow passage, his crotch may have rubbed up against her ass a little bit. If that happened, he probably jizzed in his pants right on the spot.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Aug 5 2017 01:24pm

Didn't occur to me one bit
You can tell if a carving is new or not

looked new to me

and a kitten invented the telephone

This

Sam took Heartsbane from his home, but the show has oddly avoided bringing it up again. It's almost as though they want us to forget so they can "surprise us" later when it resurfaces.

Why would it be important for Sam to have taken that sword? I highly doubt any WWs are showing up in Old Town at any time in the show. Maybe Sam goes north again, but even then he's really not able to use a broad sword like that. He's ok using smaller bits of dragonglass.

Also, the story has really gone out of its way to build a connection between Sam and Jorah. Jorah is exactly the kind of person who could put a sword like that to use.

How about Sam gives the sword to Jorah, Jorah goes to find Dany and ends up using it to save her by killing a WW that's after her?