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Feb 8 2018 07:17pm
Finally got around to watching this and I thought it was amazing.

Absolutely love the look and sound of this show. Super bowl ad was also just A+
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Feb 8 2018 07:33pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ 24 Oct 2017 07:23)
30-40 years seems reasonable to me.



I could ramble on about this show forever, which I think is pretty fucking apparent lol, but so much has been left up to the viewer still, and of course things will get more spelled out, I think they've got a full 4 or 5 seasons already planned out, they knew that this one would be huge. I'm hoping they continue to shock and awe me as they did so wonderfully throughout the first season. I saw quite a few of the bigger twists coming, Hopkins doing exactly what he did at the end I called in the middle of the season to my wife, Bernard being what he was I called pretty early on, just a wild guess, but after Teddy, I was on the lookout again for who would be the most unlikely, yet likely person to pull off the next big, Awwwww fuck man, really? Moment lol. It was a near perfect season. My biggest and only real complaint was voiced a few pages back I think when I was talking about how stupid it was that models from 30 years ago were as, or in some cases, more advanced than models from present time. Her being as mentally advanced is feasible, given that Arnold created a special model, and that she's that model, but her being as mechanically complex as the current gen models is just not plausible, and implausible shit always bugs me in such well thought out shows. Would be something I'd have no problem letting go off in a lesser show, but when something is this perfect, I gotta nitpick to find shit wrong :P . Not like it ruins anything for me, but it does make me go, "wtf guys, you can do better than that, show you upgrading her or something throughout the years, right". I uh know, guess they still could.


Soooo fucking hyped for season 2


I'm not sure I get your complaint. The older models will be more 'conscious' since Ford explains that a lot of suffering is required to achieve consciousness. Pretty much the whole point of the maze. Thus actual time spent in the park's horror is key to the hosts evolving. And about the technical aspect, seems like they have the mechanics pretty much locked down from the get to. They mention that newer hosts are created with other materials because it's more cost-efficient. The real advances are software based, not hardware, so older models should work just as fine.

Also there's probably 30-34 years between William's timelines as the park has been open for roughly 34 years (opened shortly after Arnold's death) and William mentioned he has been coming for roughly 30 years.
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Feb 9 2018 11:55am
^ They don't though.... They show multiple times how limited the older hosts are, how few interactions they have, and how non-lifelike they are in comparison to the current models. Your argument would make sense if they hadn't shown us MANY examples of older models, but they have. Can't just create a narrative that goes against everything we've seen because it suites your opinion.

Movements and patterns of the older models were slow and robotic looking. It's been over a year since I watched this show, but I thought they also explained that the models had been completely redesigned for more fluent movements/facial expressions etc.. Once again, her being as advanced as she is in her mind is plausible based on the restraints the show has put in place, but they shouldn't have shown us older models who move like robots because of less-advanced engineering, and then throw in that she's older than all of them. Unless she's been upgraded at points throughout the existence of the park, it doesn't make sense. It's not a big deal, just a tiny little nitpick comment on an otherwise perfect show, but felt like it was a pretty big oversight on their part.

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Feb 9 2018 01:40pm
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^ They don't though.... They show multiple times how limited the older hosts are, how few interactions they have, and how non-lifelike they are in comparison to the current models. Your argument would make sense if they hadn't shown us MANY examples of older models, but they have. Can't just create a narrative that goes against everything we've seen because it suites your opinion.

Movements and patterns of the older models were slow and robotic looking. It's been over a year since I watched this show, but I thought they also explained that the models had been completely redesigned for more fluent movements/facial expressions etc.. Once again, her being as advanced as she is in her mind is plausible based on the restraints the show has put in place, but they shouldn't have shown us older models who move like robots because of less-advanced engineering, and then throw in that she's older than all of them. Unless she's been upgraded at points throughout the existence of the park, it doesn't make sense. It's not a big deal, just a tiny little nitpick comment on an otherwise perfect show, but felt like it was a pretty big oversight on their part.


They did say at one point that shes been updated with new hardware since shes one of the most popular hosts aka gets destroyed alot
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Feb 9 2018 01:46pm
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They did say at one point that shes been updated with new hardware since shes one of the most popular hosts aka gets destroyed alot



Do you by chance remember what episode that was? Just want to re-watch for myself.

Had her hardware been upgraded, it makes A LOT more sense, but I'm still feel a bit meh about one aspect, which is that she's exactly the same during the entire span of the show. Regardless of whether or not her hardware was upgraded, half the season was in the past (probably in the beginningish of the park), and she was just as sophisticated as she was 30-40 years later. I get that they couldn't have a noticeable difference, since it would completely destroy the DAMN moment they dropped, but it is a bit meh.
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Feb 9 2018 03:28pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Feb 9 2018 03:46pm)
Do you by chance remember what episode that was? Just want to re-watch for myself.

Had her hardware been upgraded, it makes A LOT more sense, but I'm still feel a bit meh about one aspect, which is that she's exactly the same during the entire span of the show. Regardless of whether or not her hardware was upgraded, half the season was in the past (probably in the beginningish of the park), and she was just as sophisticated as she was 30-40 years later. I get that they couldn't have a noticeable difference, since it would completely destroy the DAMN moment they dropped, but it is a bit meh.


I remember them saying it was cheaper to make them more human like than robotic so based on that I assumed they updated her since it'd be cheaper to fix her every death.


I'm so hyped for season 2.
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Feb 9 2018 04:48pm
Quote (fuzzy159 @ Feb 9 2018 01:28pm)
I remember them saying it was cheaper to make them more human like than robotic so based on that I assumed they updated her since it'd be cheaper to fix her every death.


I'm so hyped for season 2.


I'm honestly more pumped for this than I am for GoT. Season 2 looks fucking amazing.
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Feb 9 2018 10:03pm
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Feb 9 2018 01:46pm)
Do you by chance remember what episode that was? Just want to re-watch for myself.

Had her hardware been upgraded, it makes A LOT more sense, but I'm still feel a bit meh about one aspect, which is that she's exactly the same during the entire span of the show. Regardless of whether or not her hardware was upgraded, half the season was in the past (probably in the beginningish of the park), and she was just as sophisticated as she was 30-40 years later. I get that they couldn't have a noticeable difference, since it would completely destroy the DAMN moment they dropped, but it is a bit meh.


I may have remembered wrong, but it was in the first episode

"The Tech asks him if he thinks Dolores' core code has been affected? He replies no, that Dolores has been repaired so many times that she looks brand new - but in fact she's the oldest host in the park."
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Feb 9 2018 10:38pm
Quote (xKoopa @ Feb 9 2018 08:03pm)
I may have remembered wrong, but it was in the first episode

"The Tech asks him if he thinks Dolores' core code has been affected? He replies no, that Dolores has been repaired so many times that she looks brand new - but in fact she's the oldest host in the park."


Getting repairs and being upgraded are two very different things. Also, if that was the case and she was way different now than she was then, wouldn't she look, move or act a little different in the past memories? Like I said, I get why they couldn't do that, because it would have been too much if a give away on a pretty epic reveal, but it would have just changed a couple things with how she moved/looked etc, little subtle things, and then kept them consistent with all the older footage we saw in the park, it would have been insanely impressive. Show is still fucking phenomenal without that, that was just like the only thing they could have done to improve their nearly perfect first season to perfect for me.
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Feb 19 2018 05:33pm
Just started this show, on ep6 atm. Such a weird show but so good. Will probably watch it again to catch stuff I missed.
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