Quote (fuzzy159 @ Dec 18 2017 01:55am)

Him saying the plot wasn't progressed at all is totally blind hating or just plain ignorance.

The movie definitely was far from perfect but at least have logical reasons for thinking so. I respect people's opinions as long as they have valid points and I know people don't like it for reasonable justification. That being said, some people have the most asinine reasons for thinking it was bad. Some of them went into the theater with the mindset that they already hate it. That is why you see some people grasping at straws for reasoning as to why it is bad.

Liking a movie and how good a movie actually is are two totally different concepts that a lot of people struggle to understand. You can dislike a great movie. You can like a bad movie. Liking a bad movie doesn't make it great and hating a great movie doesn't make it bad.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Dec 17 2017 10:21pm)

The plot didn't really advance that much.

They are focusing on the rebellion and the first order and not much else is going on, which is actually a huge fault with the trilogy itself so far.....it's so centralized and doesn't expand much.

Snoke's dead, now why do we care about anything? We have a bunch of morons running the first order like a daycare.


Snoke's dead.
Luke's dead
Luke created a spark in the universe
Rey becomes a little more powerful.
They showed like a dozen rebellion heading onto the Millennium Falcon.


That's about it.


What this movie did show, which is good, is a different perspective. The perspective we got is that the rebellion is so puny in this universe, and not many seem to care about what's going on. Makes you wonder, which side to take.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ Dec 18 2017 02:42am)

So someone who was considered the main villain, Snoke, died, Rey found out her heritage, Luke the main character of the original trilogy and last remaining person who can pass on the Skywalker name died, they went way more in depth into the force and explain it more than any other movie, by dying facing the entire First Order on his own Luke just created a spark that is going to be crucial in convincing people to join the resistance to defeat the First Order next movie, the rip between Hux and Kylo grows even more with Hux even being tempted to kill a knocked out Kylo, Rey matured a lot and fights off a temptation towards the dark side while also learning that the Light and Dark sides aren't as black and white as they seem, and the ending when it showed the kid using the force opened up the possibility of more jedi joining the resistance in the next film. Longest run-on sentence ever LOL.

I also like how your things you listed were all things that had a major impact on advancing the plot lol...


There are plenty of issues. Every movie has issues none are perfect. I just don't think not advancing the plot is an issue that they had at all. I'd even go as far as saying they advanced the plot further than any prior film by basically ending the idea of the jedi and sith.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Dec 17 2017 10:54pm)

The point is.....none of my points seemed to matter much. snoke died....yippe? it barely brought any meaning on the screen......because we had no idea who the hell he was.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ Dec 17 2017 06:20pm)

Seems like the same people who hated TFA hate this.


I don't get the hate tbh. I thought it was easily better than Rogue One and TFA.

Some people seem to be hating it because it did some bold changes and wasn't a typical Star Wars flick. Others hate the Disney comedic relief sprinkled throughout. I am a Star Wars fan but when I watch movies I feel like I'm always not biased in my ratings.

For example I would rate the prior films :

Episode 4: 8.75
Episode 5: 9.00
Episode 6: 7.50
Episode 7: 8.00
Rogue One: 7.25
Epusode 8: 8.50

Star Wars is hands down my favorite franchise but they are far from the best movies ever made.

I thought the changes took some sack to do and I applaud Rian Johnson and everyone else involved in it. It is such a cherished and popular franchise with probably the biggest fanbase out of all movie franchises. They moved the franchise in a new direction and made some questionable plot twists. I think it made the movie fresh and breathed new life into the beloved franchise.

The comedic relief was very Disney-like. But is that necessarily a bad thing? Disney is the biggest name in entertainment for a reason. They are good at their jobs. They get a lot of hate it seems because of they appeal to the masses more and make things more kid friendly. I can definitely see how people can dislike certain Disney films too. I don't like the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise at all. I never watched Frozen. The Cars franchise is garbage imo. They definitely cater to the younger audience in a majority of their films. That doesn't necessarily make all of them bad films though.
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Quote (fuzzy159 @ Dec 18 2017 03:40am)

We didn't know who Emperor Palpatine was when he was killed. Regardless all my other points still stand. Take away the Snoke death and there are still tons of examples of the plot being progressed a lot.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Dec 18 2017 12:15am)

The First Order could have destroyed the Rebellion about 3 dozen times now.


It dragged for the sake of dragging.


They shot "warning shots" to the main ship for however much time instead of just sending im their fleet. It was incredibly silly.


We can't run because they find all of our bases and blow them up.

We can't run because they follow us through hyper speed and blow us up.

We can't run because our apparent invisibly cloaked escape ships can be shot from across space and be blown up.

It's the same cat and mouse game that we saw in 4,5,6.

like I said, I really, really enjoy Star Wars, but I really do hope the final episode will serve this two justice.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ Dec 18 2017 04:56am)

Idk I don't see any of those points as problems.


So what I'm taking from this is you didn't like it because it was too similar to the first trilogy and because the plot didn't advance?

Idk man I don't see it but I guess everyone thinks differently.

Quote (fuzzy159 @ 17 Dec 2017 18:20)

Seems like the same people who hated TFA hate this.


I don't get the hate tbh. I thought it was easily better than Rogue One and TFA.

Some people seem to be hating it because it did some bold changes and wasn't a typical Star Wars flick. Others hate the Disney comedic relief sprinkled throughout. I am a Star Wars fan but when I watch movies I feel like I'm always not biased in my ratings.

For example I would rate the prior films :

Episode 4: 8.75
Episode 5: 9.00
Episode 6: 7.50
Episode 7: 8.00
Rogue One: 7.25
Epusode 8: 8.50

Star Wars is hands down my favorite franchise but they are far from the best movies ever made.

I thought the changes took some sack to do and I applaud Rian Johnson and everyone else involved in it. It is such a cherished and popular franchise with probably the biggest fanbase out of all movie franchises. They moved the franchise in a new direction and made some questionable plot twists. I think it made the movie fresh and breathed new life into the beloved franchise.

The comedic relief was very Disney-like. But is that necessarily a bad thing? Disney is the biggest name in entertainment for a reason. They are good at their jobs. They get a lot of hate it seems because of they appeal to the masses more and make things more kid friendly. I can definitely see how people can dislike certain Disney films too. I don't like the Pirates of the Caribbean franchise at all. I never watched Frozen. The Cars franchise is garbage imo. They definitely cater to the younger audience in a majority of their films. That doesn't necessarily make all of them bad films though.

It isn't like the humor wasn't funny. The humor was good and while I can agree that maybe it was used a tad too much, I don't think it made the movie worse. It fit with the atmosphere and new direction. What is wrong with spicing up Star Wars with humor? This goes back to the previous point of changing a beloved franchise. Sure the original trilogy had far less humor but this isn't the original trilogy. I do find it funny that some of the people who hated TFA for being too similar to Episode 4 are upset that they made it too funny and it wasn't the serious tone of the trilogy. They don't want it similar but they also want it more of the same. Seems like those select individuals just are hating to hate.

I guess it just comes down to opinion. I've just never seen a movie where half of the people think it's a great movie and the other half say it's trash. No body is right or wrong. That's the great thing about the entertainment industry. Not everyone is the same. If they were there would be a lot less variety in genres and subject matter.

I'm pretty stoned so I sort of went off on a tangent there sorry guys.