But isn't that what we do in this forum? Continuously argue with people with different views and nothing gratifying comes from it.

fair enough



it is.

That's why I think 8 will be better than tfa. Unless ofc, they really screw it up and troll us by making it feel like another remake of the 5th movie which I highly doubt lol.

the force,

I don't understand why people hate on tfa. It was a really well made fun movie. If you honestly hate it so much and think it is trash then you seem to not understand the entire​point of Star Wars. They are SciFi fantasy adventure movies, fun not the next big drama, and tfa was the most SciFi fantasy adventurey movie of the last ~20 years.

Look, I consider myself a huge SW fan.I was obsessed with it in middle school (literally). I'll come in here and defend Rogue One as a 10/10. I saw TFA on the first weekend (despite the fact that I never go to theaters these days). If anyone should love the movie, it is me. But it was mediocre that I didn't see R1 in theaters and I'm leaning that way towards Ep8.

There were a few nice bits in TFA. Maz Kanata's place recaptured that "otherworldy vibe" that we got Jabba's Palace/Mos Eisley. The opening scenes with Rey (when she was alone) were also good character development. The 'family undertones' between han/leia/kylo/rey were appropriately vague for how early we are in the story, I liked that. But most of the movie was just using the Star Wars universe as backdrop to churn out more generic bullshit action.

The only character that I can say I'm genuinely looking forward to in Ep8 is seeing Gwnedolyn Christie take her helmet off.


I can agree with that statement



This is wrong. You are making them out to be some crap like Starship Troopers. Episodes 4 and 5 were NOT just this. The most important moment of the two movies was Vader's reveal to Luke, which was a dramatic moment not an action one. In that scene, the "action" of their fight built up to the drama. TFA seems to be taking the opposite approach, where the characters and relationships are shuffled around as needed in order to make bigger action.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Apr 16 2017 06:06am

Well, here's an interesting video that collects many of the reasons people thought it was bad:



He tries too hard to be funny and I don't agree with a lot of things he says, but he also makes many good points I agree with. The things I didn't like about this movies were that there are a lot of plot holes and perfectly convenient situations that make no sense, Kylo feels more like Jar Jar than Darth Vader, Rei is stupidly and nonsensically op, Finn's character makes no sense, the dialogues are unnatural and bad, it felt unoriginal (takes far too much inspiration from Episode IV), and the movie's pace is way too fast (lots of action and screaming, and no character or story depth).

Dispite all these negative things, I'm not going to label it as garbage or anything like that. I have the feeling (and the hope) that the movies will make more sense once the whole trilogy is out... everything went so far in TFA that it makes me think that it's going to be ore like a movie divided in 3 parts than a trilogy of 3 separate movies.

It's a good watch. There's quite a lot of nitpicking, something you can do with nearly every movie in existence. In the end, there's only so much you can do in under 3 hours.

We "hope" things would make more sense with the following two movies.

It's funny how you say that about tfa and then call rogue one a 10/10. Are you sure you aren't getting the two confused? Because that statement is a much better description of rogue one than tfa.

It's essentially a soft reboot after having 3 of the worst movies in cinematic history represent the ip for the last 15 years. Plus it is now owned by Disney, of course they are going to play it a bit safe that doesn't mean it was bad. (If you want an example of safe+bad look at marvel, every single one of those movies is exactly the same, like they put parameters into a computer and it churned out 20 movies for them).

Also saying it feels like a copy of Hope is silly. There were death stars in 4 5 and 6 so that part isn't unique to hope and actually makes sense as to why they would make star killer, basically it's the most terrifying weapon in the star wars universe. And if you complain that Rey is too much like Luke, well George basically copied something called "a hero's journey" line for fucking line to make Luke. A hero's journey was a story telling mechanic made by some guy in the 60's explaining how most heroes of old myths went through the same/similar journeys in their stories. There is no way to make a main character without him or her looking like they are a copy of Luke because Luke is literally a direct copy of the mold without any unique elements added.

This post was edited by Blah58 on Apr 16 2017 12:30pm