Quote (kayeto @ Dec 24 2015 01:14am)

I'm not partial to Rey being Luke's because:

- It begs the question of who this mystery woman is that Luke banged (Mara Jade?). Since this trilogy will not have the time or scope to explore it fully enough to make it fit naturally, it would leave things feeling a little hanging. The prequel trilogy was forced to create the Padme story which was a stupid plot line because her relationship with Anakin was the only reason she was there.

- Rey's connection with Kylo is obviously the core of the story, so having them be twins keeps everything tighter than if they were merely cousins.


I don't agree at all. I think it is exactly the type of thing this movie would try to pull off, even if they do it poorly.

Ep7 was a copy of Ep4. The original trilogy saw Vader go through most of his life not knowing about his kids. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they try to pull something similar with this story.

For reference, let's look at Luke's childhood. They tried to "hide him" from Anakin by dropping him off to live with his uncle down the road from Obi-Wan, at the old family farm and had him keep the name Skywalker. Darth Vader, a powerful member of the Empire with access to any searching technology in the galaxy and a magical power to sense connections from thin air never caught on? The only way Luke would not be found is if Vader wasn't looking at all or didn't care. It makes no sense really, but that's how movies go.

Quote (kayeto @ Dec 24 2015 01:14am)

I'm not partial to Rey being Luke's because:

- It begs the question of who this mystery woman is that Luke banged (Mara Jade?). Since this trilogy will not have the time or scope to explore it fully enough to make it fit naturally, it would leave things feeling a little hanging. The prequel trilogy was forced to create the Padme story which was a stupid plot line because her relationship with Anakin was the only reason she was there.

- Rey's connection with Kylo is obviously the core of the story, so having them be twins keeps everything tighter than if they were merely cousins.


I don't agree at all. I think it is exactly the type of thing this movie would try to pull off, even if they do it poorly.

Ep7 was a copy of Ep4. The original trilogy saw Vader go through most of his life not knowing about his kids. Wouldn't surprise me at all if they try to pull something similar with this story.

For reference, let's look at Luke's childhood. They tried to "hide him" from Anakin by dropping him off to live with his uncle down the road from Obi-Wan, at the old family farm and had him keep the name Skywalker. Darth Vader, a powerful member of the Empire with access to any searching technology in the galaxy and a magical power to sense connections from thin air never caught on? The only way Luke would not be found is if Vader wasn't looking at all or didn't care. It makes no sense really, but that's how movies go.

Quote (Bazi @ Dec 24 2015 01:39am)

Vader not being able to sense Luke's presence because he thought his wife died might be odd but still plausible.

Leia having a daughter approximately the same age as her son without Han or her brother knowing...is a bit more than odd for me. I would be highly disappointed if this was the case. Don't forget she was a child when placed on that planet and it is assumed at this point the son was at least a teenager when he went dark. The age gap would not make sense if she was their daughter, in addition to the complete lack of affection (which would be even more mind boggling considering the love they have for their son). Furthermore it wouldn't make much sense to me for Han to die without even acknowledgingthe presence of a daughter that turns out to be the savior in this latest series of films.

i agree with you on two points though

-odd if luke was the father given lack of history of the mother. it could be explained in some of these other starwars films due to be released that are not part of the trilogy (disney said 1 movie/year).
-twin vs twin would indeed be more entertaining than cousin vs cousin

for me it is which case makes more sense. i feel as if rey skywalker edges it out

Quote (Blah58 @ Dec 24 2015 10:39am)

I don't think it is at all odd not knowing the mother, makes the universe more real. Luke is a man who lived a lot of his life off screen. Him not having a kid makes less sense.

Plus hiding Rey if she was Leias daughter also doesn't make sense, she would have been safe hiding with her mother and the rebels. But if she was Luke's kid, he would want to hide her from everyone before he went into hiding. He couldn't take her with him for the same reason Luke and Leia had to be separated.

Plus Rey should be much younger than Kylo, if we assume she was hidden because Kylo went dark, so twins is out of the question.

Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Dec 24 2015 11:44am)

What about the possibility that Luke noticed the evil in Kylo almost immediately? Both kids could have been shipped to Luke for training at ages 4-6, and Kyle could have started showing signs around 10, and that's when Rey was abandoned on a desert planet for her own safety. They're obviously related, and they do appear to be around the same age. The twin possibility is right up there, and it just makes for a more entertaining story. Not to mention how fucking hard they hinted at Han being her father during the movie. It would just be lazy and bad storytelling to have it be anything else with that much foreshadowing.

Quote (Blah58 @ Dec 24 2015 11:00am)

But also remember how in touch with technology ani was, not to mention how good of a pilot he was. Rey interacting with Han almost felt like it could have been ani (the non-douche non-creepy actually likable version from the clone wars cartoon).

Personally I think the whole no attachments thing was not something Luke would have done, I don't see him not having a lover because 'the Jedi way'. Obviously now that he is older and went into exile he is very Jedi-esque but between 6 and 7 I feel like he would have had someone.

Kylo could have killed her mother when he went dark which is why Luke hid her and went into exile. To me that would be a much better story than brother/sister.

Quote (Blah58 @ Dec 24 2015 06:00pm)

But also remember how in touch with technology ani was, not to mention how good of a pilot he was. Rey interacting with Han almost felt like it could have been ani (the non-douche non-creepy actually likable version from the clone wars cartoon).

Personally I think the whole no attachments thing was not something Luke would have done, I don't see him not having a lover because 'the Jedi way'. Obviously now that he is older and went into exile he is very Jedi-esque but between 6 and 7 I feel like he would have had someone.

Kylo could have killed her mother when he went dark which is why Luke hid her and went into exile. To me that would be a much better story than brother/sister.

Quote (WelSh @ Dec 24 2015 12:54pm)

The story needs to be about rylos redemption as a character. So brother and sister going at it has more to it than cousin v cousin.

I also think it's significant she witnessed han dieing.

You make very good points likening her to anikan. But don't forget luke and leia are twins. So anikans genes will be just as significant in leia as they are in luke?

Her connection to anikan would be exactly the same whether she's lukes or leias daughter!

She's a skywalker, I just don't see luke being the father. I also think it offers redemption for leia and han as failed parents (from their perspective) even though their son went to the dark side and helped raise the first order, it was their daughter who redeemed their son and brought balance to the force.

Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Dec 24 2015 12:44pm)

What about the possibility that Luke noticed the evil in Kylo almost immediately? Both kids could have been shipped to Luke for training at ages 4-6, and Kyle could have started showing signs around 10, and that's when Rey was abandoned on a desert planet for her own safety. They're obviously related, and they do appear to be around the same age. The twin possibility is right up there, and it just makes for a more entertaining story. Not to mention how fucking hard they hinted at Han being her father during the movie. It would just be lazy and bad storytelling to have it be anything else with that much foreshadowing.