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Dec 21 2015 02:08am
Quote (russian @ Dec 20 2015 10:26pm)
When Kylo Ren smashes Rey into the tree, why doesn't he just do that a few more times with both her and Fin? Or like... toss them 100 feet into the air and let them die from the fall, etc.

Using force techniques like this require strong concentration. A rookie like Rylo Ken would not be able to do this in the middle of a lightsaber battle, let alone consecutively over and over.

Why does Deathstar 2.0 have such an obvious and poorly defended weak spot AGAIN? Here's a super critical facility, the destruction of which will blow up the entire planet, and it's guarded by 2 storm-troopers.

Everything has an engine or somewhere to draw energy from. And I wouldn't say it was poorly defended since they had an epic battle to get inside, which was also only made possible by sabotage from the inside.

The super weapon is built into a planet and works by consuming an entire nearby star. How would that work? Wouldn't consuming the star mess up the orbit of every planet in the system, including the one with the weapon, flinging them around in weird, unpredictable ways?

It's built into a planet but has its own propulsion.

When Han Solo gives Rey the blaster and she's like "you just pull the trigger, right?" and he rolls his eyes and says sarcastically "there's a little more to it than that, you have a lot to learn", what the hell is he talking about? You DO just pull the trigger, that's all there is to it. And she proves it by shooting a bunch of troopers with it. On that note, how is someone who has never in her entire life used a gun before suddenly 1-shotting every enemy she sees with a dinky pistol, but troopers trained from birth for literally decades can't hit shit with a top-of-the-line rifle?

There is definitely more to it than that. Aiming and breathing properly, for example, for greater accuracy.
For part 2... she's a fucking Jedi.


Does storm-trooper armor actually protect the wearer in any way? Seems weird to invest so much money and time into raising perfect killing machines from birth and then send them into battle wearing molded plastic that does more harm than good. I'd rather go naked, at least you'll have unrestricted movement.
It protects from lower level threats that they would run into on low technology planets. For instance, they mentioned smoke in this movie particular.

How has Han Solo never tried Chewbacca's bowcaster in the 20 or whatever years they've been together? Also, aren't bowcasters supposed to be essentially unusable by humans? Has Han Solo ever used the scope on his pistol?
He loves his blaster. Don't need a scope when you're that skilled. NoScope.

When Fin and Poe escape, Poe says that he must go back to Jakku for his droid and they can't go to the resistance until they find it. After they crash, he somehow ends up back with the resistance in time to lead the attack on Maz's castle. Why isn't he still on Jakku looking for the droid?
Could have witnessed the battle where Fin escapes off the planet and then went straight to the resistance. There's actually a lot of possible reasons to explain this one.


Answered what I could

This post was edited by FroggyG on Dec 21 2015 02:09am
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Quote (dirTyMan @ Dec 20 2015 08:10pm)
The force has nothing to do with your ability with a lightsaber. Kinda rustles me that in the movie they implied the force helped her combat skills when it doesn't really do that.

Maul was considered to be one of the GOAT duelists but his force powers weren't that strong.

but then you have guys like yoda who are just great at everything.


You sir have no idea what you are talking about.

You are labeling "the force" as the ability to cause an environmental change. Ie throwing things, stopping things, creating lightning. But that is not all the force is.

The force is a flow, that is in everything and everyone. It moves on its own and the good jedis can use the force to their advantage. Be it by causing an environmental change, or something as simple as outmaneuvering your opponent with a light saber.

And I'm pretty sure its clear the force is much stronger in her than it is in kylo which is why when she feels the flow and uses it for the very first time in combat she makes him look like a toddler.
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Quote (dirTyMan @ Dec 20 2015 06:10pm)
The force has nothing to do with your ability with a lightsaber. Kinda rustles me that in the movie they implied the force helped her combat skills when it doesn't really do that.

Maul was considered to be one of the GOAT duelists but his force powers weren't that strong.

but then you have guys like yoda who are just great at everything.


Sorry man, but you know fuck all about Star Wars lol.

First and foremost, she was already a trained combatant. Now, the Lightsaber is a weapon that's increased by user compatibility. Her being able to even briefly wield and manipulate the force, would indeed increase her fighting ability with that particular weapon.

Yes, the scene was terrible, and no, it didn't make any fucking sense. Regardless, the reasoning you're using is flawed and shows your lack of knowledge with the series. Maul was not the fucking "GOAT" when it came to dueling, Mace fucking Windu was the GOAT when it came to dueling, and he would have torn Maul's ass UP.

That auto-correct on Windu lol.

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Answered what I could


Nice job, saved me a lot of time.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Dec 21 2015 03:12am
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Dec 21 2015 05:44am
Quote (russian @ Dec 21 2015 02:26am)
When Kylo Ren smashes Rey into the tree, why doesn't he just do that a few more times with both her and Fin? Or like... toss them 100 feet into the air and let them die from the fall, etc.

When the resistance fighters finally arrive and start shooting down TIE fighters over Maz Kanata's castle, there is a huge air battle going on with the resistance just cleaning house. Then Kylo Ren captures Rey and Fin watches them take off and fly away. What happens to all the resistance fighters? They were overhead a second ago, all over the place, and suddenly they just disappear and Kylo Ren's ship and a few TIE fighters just peacefully, slowly float away while Fin is screaming at them helplessly.

Why does Deathstar 2.0 have such an obvious and poorly defended weak spot AGAIN? Here's a super critical facility, the destruction of which will blow up the entire planet, and it's guarded by 2 storm-troopers.

The super weapon is built into a planet and works by consuming an entire nearby star. How would that work? Wouldn't consuming the star mess up the orbit of every planet in the system, including the one with the weapon, flinging them around in weird, unpredictable ways?

When Han Solo gives Rey the blaster and she's like "you just pull the trigger, right?" and he rolls his eyes and says sarcastically "there's a little more to it than that, you have a lot to learn", what the hell is he talking about? You DO just pull the trigger, that's all there is to it. And she proves it by shooting a bunch of troopers with it. On that note, how is someone who has never in her entire life used a gun before suddenly 1-shotting every enemy she sees with a dinky pistol, but troopers trained from birth for literally decades can't hit shit with a top-of-the-line rifle?

Does storm-trooper armor actually protect the wearer in any way? Seems weird to invest so much money and time into raising perfect killing machines from birth and then send them into battle wearing molded plastic that does more harm than good. I'd rather go naked, at least you'll have unrestricted movement.

How has Han Solo never tried Chewbacca's bowcaster in the 20 or whatever years they've been together? Also, aren't bowcasters supposed to be essentially unusable by humans? Has Han Solo ever used the scope on his pistol?

When Fin and Poe escape, Poe says that he must go back to Jakku for his droid and they can't go to the resistance until they find it. After they crash, he somehow ends up back with the resistance in time to lead the attack on Maz's castle. Why isn't he still on Jakku looking for the droid?

Many more questions I can't even remember anymore.



You could nitpick any movie ever made like that.
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Dec 21 2015 09:51am
Quote (jadeoshbogosh @ Dec 21 2015 02:09am)
Sorry man, but you know fuck all about Star Wars lol.

First and foremost, she was already a trained combatant. Now, the Lightsaber is a weapon that's increased by user compatibility. Her being able to even briefly wield and manipulate the force, would indeed increase her fighting ability with that particular weapon.

Yes, the scene was terrible, and no, it didn't make any fucking sense. Regardless, the reasoning you're using is flawed and shows your lack of knowledge with the series. Maul was not the fucking "GOAT" when it came to dueling, Mace fucking Windu was the GOAT when it came to dueling, and he would have torn Maul's ass UP.

That auto-correct on Windu lol.



Nice job, saved me a lot of time.



Both maul and windu practiced juyo. While windu was the better duelist maul is not far off. Well windu used his own form of juyo, vaapad.

All I'm saying is your force power doesn't suddenly make you a god duelist , not saying it doesn't come into play though but it's not an on off switch. And not all forms use the force as much as the other

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Dec 21 2015 10:17am
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Both maul and windu practiced juyo. While windu was the better duelist maul is not far off. Well windu used his own form of juyo, vaapad.

All I'm saying is your force power doesn't suddenly make you a god duelist , not saying it doesn't come into play though but it's not an on off switch. And not all forms use the force as much as the other


She wasn't a god duelist lol. She beat a wounded guy who was a novice himself.
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Dec 21 2015 10:22am
Quote (fuzzy159 @ Dec 21 2015 04:17pm)
She wasn't a god duelist lol. She beat a wounded guy who was a novice himself.


Well, we know she can handle herself pretty well and has some fighting abilities, but that's all we know at this point.
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Dec 21 2015 10:40am
people acting like kylo ren was supreme light saber duelist

he was severely injured, conflicted, and emotional


This post was edited by itzpookiie on Dec 21 2015 10:41am
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Quote (itzpookiie @ Dec 21 2015 04:40pm)
people acting like kylo ren was supreme light saber duelist

he was severely injured, conflicted, and emotional


correct.



i think it's a shock factor to people because they THOUGHT he was some badass and he isn't.

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Dec 21 2015 11:28am
Quote (stupidkid282 @ Dec 21 2015 05:17pm)
correct.



i think it's a shock factor to people because they THOUGHT he was some badass and he isn't.


Spot on

The whole saga will likely revolve around his conflict and his ultimate redemption.

People also forget that it's likely that rey has in fact already trained as a padawan with luke before she was taken away. Her flashbacks are clues. So although she's not a proficient jedi knight or anything, her earlier access to the ways of the force combined with her combat skills she's developed while dealing with her seemingly independent upbringing in a potential volatile planet would of give her enough to get through a confrontation with a severely injured Kyloe.
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