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Jun 3 2015 02:21am
Quote (-=vasya=- @ Jun 3 2015 08:18pm)
I'm pretty sure theres book readers subforum


I don't know if that is correct... but, I fucking hate book readers coming into this thread and spoiling the BS out of a TV show.
So fucking what if it is written in a book, it does not mean that a Show has to conform to the written law of the book, or series of illustrations of the books.

That is why I agree that the readers just stfu and post in "Movies & TV" forum concerned with the screens posted instead of
the written legislation from a book or books.
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Jun 3 2015 02:34am
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I don't know if that is correct... but, I fucking hate book readers coming into this thread and spoiling the BS out of a TV show.
So fucking what if it is written in a book, it does not mean that a Show has to conform to the written law of the book, or series of illustrations of the books.

That is why I agree that the readers just stfu and post in "Movies & TV" forum concerned with the screens posted instead of
the written legislation from a book or books.


yup totally agree!

as soon as i see word "book" i stop reading but they have managed to spoil few things for me unfortunately :(

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Quote (izParagonzi @ 3 Jun 2015 04:21)
I don't know if that is correct... but, I fucking hate book readers coming into this thread and spoiling the BS out of a TV show.
So fucking what if it is written in a book, it does not mean that a Show has to conform to the written law of the book, or series of illustrations of the books.

That is why I agree that the readers just stfu and post in "Movies & TV" forum concerned with the screens posted instead of
the written legislation from a book or books.


Quote (-=vasya=- @ 3 Jun 2015 04:34)
yup totally agree!

as soon as i see word "book" i stop reading but they have managed to spoil few things for me unfortunately :(


I'm sorry if I gave the impression of spoiling, but I gave absolutely no spoilers of any kind, in any way or form. I was very careful about that. I also didn't comment on whether the show was the same as the book either, I never mentioned that or anything such.

As for the gripes, who cares if it's about the book John snow or the show John snow? It's the same character, and in this aspect, book or show was completely interchangeable. Fictional characters are fictional characters, same principle applies whether they're book or movies.

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I'm sorry if I gave the impression of spoiling, but I gave absolutely no spoilers of any kind, in any way or form. I was very careful about that. I also didn't comment on whether the show was the same as the book either, I never mentioned that or anything such.

As for the gripes, who cares if it's about the book John snow or the show John snow? It's the same character, and in this aspect, book or show was completely interchangeable. Fictional characters are fictional characters, same principle applies whether they're book or movies.


John snow is very boring in the tv show, I do not like his character at all
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When I first read the books, I've always skipped chapters sealing with pike or the wall, keeping them for my second reading. In the end, in books 4 and 5,i skipped the pike chapters entirely, all these clowns are, is natural selection waiting to happen.

Even on the second reading and the following ones, I barely just read enough to refresh pm facts, it's a part of the story I wish they had cut completely. The only reason those so called monsters are any threat is because they invade a divided land, and a land stuck with lower dark ages mentality. Otherwise, they're honestly underwhelming, getting killed at the first touch of obsidian or valyrian steel, their minions falling over at the first touch of fire.

And John Snow, arg he's one of the most bland characters I've ever read in my life! Worse than drizzt, frodo, aragorn, Hermione, or any of the array of Mary Sue characters who are 100% good, compassionate, logical, good leaders, never make mistakes, barely just a little bit doubt themselves, just for appearances. He's almost as boring as his father was, but at least Eddard was dumb enough to make him believable and a slightly bit interesting.

Basically, all that would be needed to stop the long night if the wall falls is a mobile archery unit on horseback firing arrows with lit wildfire, with a few archers armed with obsidian peppering the white walkers. That's it, no need for tend of thousands of soldiers using siege engines to throw huge wildfire bombs at their ranks lighting entire fields on fire, or tens of thousands of disciplined soldiers with obsidian swords dipped in wildfire, or even just normal burning oil, in solid formations kiting those clowns around back and forth through fields of fire (all within the souths means). Oh right we haven't even brought 3 dragons into the equation yet.

When the only reason the ultimate bad guys are a threat is the good guys being stupid and divided, I'm getting bored quick, the rest of the story is so much more interesting.


COMPLETELY illogical. the wall is 300 MILES long. Its one of the few measurements we have of westeros for scale. At approx 50 men per mile (likely not even adequate) each archer would be responsible for 105 feet. And it would require 15,000 archers. With only 10 arrows each, thats 150,000 arrows.

I hopw you're beginning to see the problem.
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Jun 3 2015 02:23pm
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John snow is very boring in the tv show, I do not like his character at all


Common compliant, but unfortunately I think he's necessary. You need that "normal" character for everyone interesting to bounce off. Family Guy needs Lois so that the other characters can be wacky.

A fantasy setting novel needs a stereotypical "rising protagonist" in order to make twists off of. Letting the audience expect the normal fantasy hero story is what allows twists to feel more dramatic.

Robb and Ned's deaths were perfect examples of that. They looked like the good guys who were gonna work through challenges and end up in a good place, and that's what made their deaths more surprising than others. In contrast, take Mance, an enigmatic character from the beginning so people didn't really know what to expect and therefore less shocked by what happened. Book Mance might be my favorite character, but the fact that he's so interesting and multidimensional means that I will be less surprised whatever he ends up doing.

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Common compliant, but unfortunately I think he's necessary. You need that "normal" character for everyone interesting to bounce off. Family Guy needs Lois so that the other characters can be wacky.

A fantasy setting novel needs a stereotypical "rising protagonist" in order to make twists off of. Letting the audience expect the normal fantasy hero story is what allows twists to feel more dramatic.

Robb and Ned's deaths were perfect examples of that. They looked like the good guys who were gonna work through challenges and end up in a good place, and that's what made their deaths more surprising than others. In contrast, take Mance, an enigmatic character from the beginning so people didn't really know what to expect and therefore less shocked by what happened. Book Mance might be my favorite character, but the fact that he's so interesting and multidimensional means that I will be less surprised whatever he ends up doing.


jon snow isn't normal, he's a mary sue
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Jun 3 2015 08:02pm
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jon snow isn't normal, he's a mary sue


not sure what that means, but are there 'mary sues' in the real world?
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Jun 3 2015 08:39pm
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not sure what that means, but are there 'mary sues' in the real world?


A Mary Sue is a character that is meant to be perfect with almost no flaws just to try and get as many people as possible to like them. They're usually a cheap ploy by uninspired authors, but I think there's more to it here than that.

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