Quote (kayeto @ May 25 2015 08:09pm)

As CMBurns mentioned, it all revolves around Cersei's decision to arm the faith.

By the law of the land, the King is not above the Church. They are 2 separate authorities who must with each other for influence. Varys alluded to this struggle when he posed Tyrion the riddle awhile ago (it was either S1 or S2)

In a practical sense, for the last 1000 years or w/e, the Faith has not be allowed to have an army, so the King has had all the power. Cersei shifted the balance of power by getting Tommen to sign a decree allowing this new guy to have an army. But the real shift happened because Cersei happened to do it at a time when there was no one to fight to protect the influence of the crown. Tywin was gone. Tommen was too young. Olenna, Baelish and Jaime had left the city just before Cersei made here move. Cersei herself wasn't fighting the church because she was the one enabling them. It was a tragic misstep on her part.



I'm confused about what you're responding to. Let's recap:

I mentioned that Cersei's previous sex scenes (i.e. Jaime in Ep1 and later with Lancel in her bedroom in KL) did not include nudity on her part. That seemed a little odd to me, because nudity would have felt natural for those scenes. I proposed 2 possible explanations for her not being nude in those scenes:

1) Her contract didn't allow it
2) They wanted to save it up to make a future scene more dramatic.

As far as I know, other characters were shown nude in episodes filmed at those locations. So location restriction doesn't seem like it would have explained her lack of nudity in the sex scenes she's done.

So, what are you trying to say now?

Quote (-=vasya=- @ 25 May 2015 18:00)

i just dont get it how this religious people can just go around and arrest kings and queens like no tomorrow...its not like they untouchable? i remember someone even said when Tywin was around he wouldn't even let them in to the city...

can someone fill me up on this please, i feel like i missed something

Quote (StephanePare @ May 26 2015 10:48am)

Basically, the show made a very poor job of explaining exactly.

About 200 years ago, the church used its position as spiritual leader of the people to gather a giant army of the faithful and almost managed to unseat the Targarien of that time, turning into a full fledged civil war. Once the king won by the edge of his teeth, the church lost the right to its army.

Fast forward to today, there's tens of thousands of hungry refugees in the city, because of the wars that happened the last few seasons ravaging the countryside, sometimes entire villages put to the torch. The crown can't feed them, they've lost faith in the nobility, lost everything back home, and the high sparrow managed to get them all to follow him in deep religious servitude. With 30 or 40 thousand people following you blindly, you can easily set foot in the main Cathedral and oust the corrupt leader, recruiting even more people into your unarmed army from the poor and destitute that already lives in the city.

At this point, cersei is stupid enough to let them arm themselves in exchange for them waiving the crown debt to the church. She figures they're so poor, they won't be able to really arm themselves much, but they arm themselves with farming implements, cooking knives, staves and such. Poor weapons compared to swords and armors, but their raw numbers are overwhelming for any guards.

So that's why seemingly overnight there's enough of them that the Kings guard and city guard can't really do anything without sparking a full on civil war inside the city itself.

Quote (-=vasya=- @ May 26 2015 12:33pm)

i wonder whats Stannis is going to do...that red woman kinda put him in a tough spot lol i wish he gets rid of her and just takes his chances with out blood magic, her magics seems like a lot of bullshit anyway....its real but i dont see how its helping Stannis