i said i know he got shot, as mentioned above.
he even hit himself in the wound to get stronger through pain,
but clearly still wasnt enough, he still gets wounded by fin with a damn saber who seem to be specialized to use blasters.
He also lost to rey who is JUST beginning to learn about the force.
Yes, he actually lost. If the ground didnt split, she could've rekt him if she wanted to ofc.

so what ur saying is, all it takes to beat kylo is a bacca's blaster, and mere basics of the force =/
for someone who seemed to be really feared by everyone, it's just a let down.
And ya, i know he isn't 100% to his potential yet either.

true, we don't know how long he trained with the dark side,
but he still did get trained by luke skywalker himself & ____ amount of length with the dark side.
i just hope in the next movie, he "completes" his training and go badass again

This post was edited by Secksii on Dec 20 2015 04:46pm

Even though Rey has just been introduced to the force, it's very clear in the movie that she knows how to fight....

The force has nothing to do with your ability with a lightsaber. Kinda rustles me that in the movie they implied the force helped her combat skills when it doesn't really do that.

Maul was considered to be one of the GOAT duelists but his force powers weren't that strong.

but then you have guys like yoda who are just great at everything.

i guess kylo ren doesnt know how to fight then huehue

For a star wars fan you seem clueless.
A jedis strength flows from the force, it controls your every movement.

Force =/= saber combat ability.

As an example yoda is considered more powerful than mace windu and count dooku. Yet windu and dooku are as strong in combat as yoda is.

Darth Maul isn't too strong with the force yet he is one of the strongest duellists.

Sidious who is only rivalled by yoda in terms of force power gets dominated by mace windu.

This post was edited by dirTyMan on Dec 20 2015 09:33pm

Kylo isn't even done with his training either. Plus Rey is obviously sufficient in hand to hand combat judging by the scene in which she rekt a couple people with her staff. Kylo being wounded also played a factor obviously.


And it seemed they wanted to show how powerful she can be with the force.

Finn got absolutely rekt by an injured Kylo too.

You are basing this off of games and books that have no connection to the movie.

If you watch the New Hope you would know it definitely has a connection. They even had a whole scene explaining it lol.

I didn't reference any games or books lol. It may have a connection , but all I'm saying is just because you're strong with the force doesn't mean you'll be good at lightsaber combat, it doesn't magically make you a good duelist.

When Kylo Ren smashes Rey into the tree, why doesn't he just do that a few more times with both her and Fin? Or like... toss them 100 feet into the air and let them die from the fall, etc.

When the resistance fighters finally arrive and start shooting down TIE fighters over Maz Kanata's castle, there is a huge air battle going on with the resistance just cleaning house. Then Kylo Ren captures Rey and Fin watches them take off and fly away. What happens to all the resistance fighters? They were overhead a second ago, all over the place, and suddenly they just disappear and Kylo Ren's ship and a few TIE fighters just peacefully, slowly float away while Fin is screaming at them helplessly.

Why does Deathstar 2.0 have such an obvious and poorly defended weak spot AGAIN? Here's a super critical facility, the destruction of which will blow up the entire planet, and it's guarded by 2 storm-troopers.

The super weapon is built into a planet and works by consuming an entire nearby star. How would that work? Wouldn't consuming the star mess up the orbit of every planet in the system, including the one with the weapon, flinging them around in weird, unpredictable ways?

When Han Solo gives Rey the blaster and she's like "you just pull the trigger, right?" and he rolls his eyes and says sarcastically "there's a little more to it than that, you have a lot to learn", what the hell is he talking about? You DO just pull the trigger, that's all there is to it. And she proves it by shooting a bunch of troopers with it. On that note, how is someone who has never in her entire life used a gun before suddenly 1-shotting every enemy she sees with a dinky pistol, but troopers trained from birth for literally decades can't hit shit with a top-of-the-line rifle?

Does storm-trooper armor actually protect the wearer in any way? Seems weird to invest so much money and time into raising perfect killing machines from birth and then send them into battle wearing molded plastic that does more harm than good. I'd rather go naked, at least you'll have unrestricted movement.

How has Han Solo never tried Chewbacca's bowcaster in the 20 or whatever years they've been together? Also, aren't bowcasters supposed to be essentially unusable by humans? Has Han Solo ever used the scope on his pistol?

When Fin and Poe escape, Poe says that he must go back to Jakku for his droid and they can't go to the resistance until they find it. After they crash, he somehow ends up back with the resistance in time to lead the attack on Maz's castle. Why isn't he still on Jakku looking for the droid?

Many more questions I can't even remember anymore.