You said it in that first sentence... Goku will lose.
And Superman can phase shift also... just not commonly known... instant transmission is phase shifting.

His phasing doesn't make him move through time and space, just phase in the spot he's in.

And I'm only saying goku would "lose" the first fight because of the way the character was built. He's too dumb to just teleport him somewhere on first try.

This post was edited by CMBurns on Jul 27 2014 02:19am

goku died, yes, back when he was severely less powerful, often against people who were far more powerful than superman. Then there's the fact superman died too.

As far as teleporting, it's simply a way to out-speed the opponent, or stop the other fro movig the battle in a more favorable battlefield.

As far as blowing up the sun, it doesn't take forever, it's basically a casual flick of the wrist for goku, and he can block much, much more powerful than the minimum required to destroy a planet shots as well, while superman gets hurt by energy beams that can barely level a city when fighting other aliens.

The limitless version of Supes was the pre-Crisis superman, also commonly called the planets juggling superman. That superman, yes he could destroy goku, but that version has been over for nearly 30 years now, except for one cameo in infinite crisis.
The newer one is much, much less powerful, because the authors realized that an eternal choice between never having challenge or yet another kryptonite villain is bad storytelling. He's been hurt by darkseid, apocalypse, and braniac's mere physical machines a few times, probably by others I haven't seen either. None of these had the strength required to even destroy a continent in one blow, how's he going to survive against the kinds of beams Goku can put out?

But then again, this entire argument is really stupid becaue every author did whatever they felt like doing with superman, some made him stronger, some made him vulnerable whenever they needed it plot-wise, how do you compare 2 guys power levels when one of them can vary by a factor of several thousands depending on which of the dozens of authors wrote him?

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This debate is for the nerd born in 70 80 90 beginning

I still think superman would win, this character was built to be absolutely limitless in term of powers and immune to most of the shit goku isn't.


But in the end, they're both good being and they wouldn't fight together.

So basically 95% of this forum then

true

95% of this forum are nerds!

That's what the dragon balls are for

like what?

I wonder if these kinds of questions are, in fact, just a dickmeasuring contest between fanbases.

'If my favorite superhero can beat your favorite superhero, then obviously that makes me more manly than you.'