Wow thats stupid

...you fail to comprehend what I said.

I said from OUR PERSPECTIVE he is being bullied. If you see a kid walking down a street and then you see a bunch of other kids yelling names at that kid, you would say that that is bullying. So if you see Clark walking down the school halls and kids calling him names or laughing at him, you would also say that that is bullying, regardless of whether it has any effect on Clark.

Well you clearly don't know what struggling is..

"Clark does not struggle, and by struggle I mean he's neglected and abused. It seems like they are going to add a lot of substance where there is none."

The only conflict in this movie will be restraining his power, that's it. For a white, middle class, american child with super powers I doubt there will be "hard times." I can't see how life will be hard for superman, young or old. He's still superman.

This movie will be dark with Zach Snyder, the watchmen meets the dark knight yeah...

Idk what people don't like in Superman returns.

Hadn't even heard about 'Superman requiem', just looked it up and personally i wouldn't even name this in the list of Superman movies.

You're an idiot. First off think about Clark from his point of view, not from your point of view of what you know about him. He thinks he is a freak, he is completely alone, he struggles to keep himself under control while at the same time trying to decide what "doing the right thing" means (the whole should I have let them die thing). He is teased/bullied at school, we dont know how much he knows about himself/his power at this point so its hard to say "oh boo hee he is a god child get over it". Yes he has inner stuggle to deal with. Plus the movie makers brilliantly went with "MAN of steel" instead of "Superman" obviously emphasizing the MAN part of him, because while he is an alien with God-like powers he is still very much a man and still has the inner conflicts one would expect.

Bro. He's not a man, he's an alien. I'm looking at things the way most Americans choose not to, American problems do not qualify as real problems, they are first world problems. I don't care how conflicted they try to make him, being better than other people in a very very significant way doesn't seem like that big of an issue.

He's raised as a human. I don't know if Smallville was based off the comics or not but in Smallville Clark chose at least once to give away his powers so that he could be 100% human and thereby live and die like a human.

He also doesn't get all his powers at once.

His struggle often consists of asking himself "why am I different?" He wants to be like everyone else on Earth, like the kids he goes to school with. Yes he's an alien but for most of his childhood he wishes he wasn't. Actually, I'm not even sure if his parents tell him that he's an Alien for most of childhood...they might just say "he's different" which increases the confusion in his mind.

By being raised by the Kent's, Clark is more human than he is Alien IMO.

This post was edited by PartyInMyPants on Dec 14 2012 07:27pm

Your still totally missing the point. The point isn't that he isn't in any physical danger, but that's not actually required for ones life to suck. Even at a young age he realizes that he isn't normal, like say HUMAN children. However, despite that, he is repeatedly told to act like one because if he won't his world will end (ie loose the ability to stay with his adoptive parents or interact in any meaningful way with human society). He does NOT know the extent of his powers at first, nor does he know any specifics of their origin. What he does see though is constant mistreatment of himself, his family, even his town that he KNOWS he could fix... but can't because then he couldn't do "the human thing". Sounds like a non-problem when you realize how powerful superman becomes/is, but in his earlier childhood (pre- fortress of solitude) all he knows is his parents may start to hate him and the government will hunt him if he ever reveals his alien nature. You also have to remember that the "lovable farm life" superman was always portrayed to grow up in, was not in any meaningful sense a "good" life. His original depiction is turn of the century to 1950's era farming, where farmers were usually poor and struggled just to survive. They were also often at the mercy and manipulated by larger land owners or banks (redrawing land claims or buying up neighbor's land to deny a water source, squeezing a man to sell land with intimidation, questionable loan practices etc). Nor were farmers respected or much considered in anything deemed civilized or a city. In short, his town and parents would face constant adversity (that he couldn't fix), and he would be personally persecuted as odd (because well he is, and can't participate in activities lest his powers be revealed).

The drama isn't the little god who can't do anything. The DRAMA is the powerful child, who doesn't know he is a godling, putting up with mistreatment of himself and everyone he knows despite KNOWING he could do better (or even fix it all). When he finds out he is a god like being, he DOESN'T decide to destroy it all or even just issue decrees to earth (despite prior motivation to). Now that IS a divergence with previous superman mythos, but it does make ALOT more sense than the previous portrayal of the perfect American family on the farm.

It's not based in the 50's... I'm not missing any points here, first you need to define struggle and how clark qualifies. For as long as I've been following the superman story, going back to when I was just a little sprite, superman's threats always seemed insignificant. It was the classic cartoons that really nailed that home for me, most of the time he'd just save the day. My point is... You cannot effect the self esteem of a little demi-god, about the most challenging thing when dealing with Clark would be keeping his ego/anger in check. By all accounts the Kents raised him well, he becomes a well adjusted adult... The gritty tortured superhero should be reserved for the superhero with a human side, faults, and a real sense of danger. There has never been one, which is why superman has become uninteresting.

This post was edited by TrouNce on Dec 14 2012 08:05pm