Because I never said that bullying was the ONLY factor of this show and I never said that bullying was the ONLY factor of her suicide.




Jesus, you are so quick to nitpick, but you're always wrong.






This post was edited by stupidkid282 on Jul 28 2017 05:58pm

I agree that bullying is a hard thing to pin down, I don't think I could personally give an exact definition of it, but given a situation I would be able to say if it was bullying or not. This hard to pin down subject is probably why basically no where has laws against bullying and why it is mostly fought against by trying to teach children it is wrong.

One thing I will refuse to do though is downplay traumatic events (such as rape) into the umbrella of bullying.

NO ONE is downplaying anything.

You need to learn how to listen.



ul·ly1
ˈbo͝olē/Submit
verb
gerund or present participle: bullying
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants.


Definition of rape
1
: an act or instance of robbing or despoiling or carrying away a person by force
2
: unlawful sexual activity and usually sexual intercourse carried out forcibly or under threat of injury against the will usually of a female or with a person who is beneath a certain age or incapable of valid consent because of mental illness, mental deficiency, intoxication, unconciousness, or deception — compare sexual assault, statutory rape
3
: an outrageous violation



Gee.....both use unwanted, excessive force, however one is done sexually. Hence.......RAPE is an EXTREME form of BULLYING.

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on Jul 28 2017 06:02pm

I echoed that same sentiment in post#251. We seem to be mostly on the same page that in this show, Hannah was mostly not bullied.

But I still maintain that the focal point of the show is "the context of the national conversation around bullying". Actions which do not qualify as bullying play a huge role in that conversation.

The question 'Did Hannah kill herself because of bullying?' is what most of the screentime is dedicated to exploring. Even if the answer is no, that is still the focal point.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Jul 28 2017 06:08pm

You are grasping at straws buddy. Nitpicking specific dictionary definitions... it is getting pathetic tbh. Just stop.

but we do see nearly every character being bullied or harassed (or being the perpetrator) throughout the entire show.

I wouldn't consider that a cold, hard fact. I would say that the show forces the audience to constantly ask ourselves "Did that kid just get bullied?". It leaves those questions unanswered and insists on us getting together to have a conversation (hopefully between parents and their kids) about what behavior constitutes 'bullying'.

That is definitely a better argument than anything stupidkid has come up with. I can see where you are coming from with that point of view. But I still think a lot of the show focuses on the idea that bullying isn't the only harmful things that can happen to people (especially kids).

By your thoughts, yes the show explores what is and what isn't bullying, but I think the way episodes are set up allow you to come to the conclusion early on that the events aren't bullying but they are still really harmful.

I see specific instance as clear-cut bullying and harrassment. There wasn't any grey area for me.

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on Jul 28 2017 06:29pm

because bullying isn't the only negative form of this show like I've said already....

You're agreeing with me, you just don't want to admit it. And it's not just "agreeing with me," we are literally just talking about how the show conveys ways people treat people negatively and how it can harm people.

In other words, it shows numerous behaviors that are unacceptable.....from students, all the way to adults.

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on Jul 28 2017 06:30pm