Quote (Blah58 @ Jul 28 2017 11:00pm)

In our previous discussion in this tbread you went from straight "bullying" to "bullying and harassment" after I said some words and you have stuck with it. It is more accurate but still not completely.

The reason you have to differentiate them is because they are different. In your view of the world we should apparently call all rapists and sexual predators bullies? No fuck that shit. Rape is not bullying it is RAPE. Sexual harassment is not bullying it is SEXUAL HARASSMENT. A rapist isn't a bully they are a RAPIST.

The ONLY bullying that happened in this show towards Hannah was:
1) the picture being sent out and the backlash of that event
2) the asian girl backstabbing Hannah to save face

That is it. The show IS NOT about bullying. It is about how actions have consequences and how ugly/bad suicide is. And arguably how perception of suicidal people differs from reality (but this is a very poorly done subject in the show imo).

All of the major events in the tapes were no where near being bullying.
Clay leaving her instead of white knighting and telling her he loves her. Allowing her to push him away instead of being a man.
The guidance counselor constantly failing her.
Losing the money and letting her parents down (with her suicide they can now have her college fund).
The RAPIST (not bully) RAPING (not bullying) her.
Her best friend breaking up with her.
The thief stealing from her (with how petty it is this could be considered bullying, and I do consider it so)
The asshole womanizer saying he thought she was easy is insulting, and a blow to a young girls self-esteem for sure, but it is not bullying.
The asian girl starting rumors (bullying)
The asian girl no longer being her friend (not bullying)
The camera dude stalking her and taking pictures (creepy but not bullying, I am pretty sure it is even legal if he doesn't get nude photos).

All these actions have consequences that the people will have to live with, but very very few of them are bullying.

As the show runner said the show is about how actions have consequences and suicide. Dumbing it down to just being about bullying is not only wrong and short-sighted but it is also insulting to the show.

(The other bullying in the show is towards the camera kid. He is definitely bullied by basically everyone. But we aren't talking about him we are talking about Hannah.)

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Jul 28 2017 04:08pm)

Learn to read....seriously......go to page 4 and read what my list is alluding to. The list isn't just about bullying, I never said it was. I said it was instances that led up to her suicide.

By definition of bullying, Rape is in fact a type of bullying.

bul·ly1
ˈbo͝olē/
verb
gerund or present participle: bullying
use superior strength or influence to intimidate (someone), typically to force him or her to do what one wants.
"a local man was bullied into helping them"
synonyms: persecute, oppress, tyrannize, browbeat, harass, torment, intimidate, strong-arm, dominate; More


But if you want to argue with the definition, go ahead

Quote (Blah58 @ Jul 28 2017 11:11pm)

Ok go up to someone that got raped and tell them to calm down, being bullied isn't a big deal. Once they grow up a bit being bullied will be less traumatic for them.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Jul 28 2017 04:15pm)

Now you're just being ridiculous.

I never said anything about downplaying the actual event of rape. It's very evident in this thread that I don't condone that behavior at all, and maybe you should read the first dozen pages before you start spitting out more bullshit.


For the record, I used the term harrassment on page 10, before you entered this thread.

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As the show runner said the show is about how actions have consequences and suicide. Dumbing it down to just being about bullying is not only wrong and short-sighted but it is also insulting to the show.

Quote (Blah58 @ Jul 28 2017 11:23pm)

The best way to show how ridiculous an argument is, is to take it to the extreme. Which is what I did and why you thought "that is ridiculous". Though you are stupid so you don't realize that it is your argument that you are actually talking about.

As I said


Is bullying part of the show? Yes, but a very small, almost inconsequential part.

To put it in terms of the guy previously(Kayeto). Saying 13RW is about bullying is like saying lotr is about the balrog. I mean it has an impact on the overall story for sure but it is a very small element of a much bigger picture.

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Jul 28 2017 04:36pm)

Nearly the entire high school cast was bullied in some form......

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Jul 28 2017 04:36pm)

And yes, I would be able to explain to someone who has been raped that rape is an extreme version of bullying according to definition. It doesn't downplay the traumatic event at all, because rape is still rape.

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TYPES OF BULLYING
» Physical Bullying

This is any bullying that hurts someone’s body or damages their possessions. Stealing, shoving, hitting, fighting, and destroying property all are types of physical bullying. Physical bullying is rarely the first form of bullying that a target will experience. Often bullying will begin in a different form and progress to physical violence. In physical bullying the main weapon the bully uses is their body.

Verbal Bullying

This is any bullying that is done by speaking. Calling names, spreading rumors, threatening somebody, and making fun of others are all forms of verbal bullying. Verbal bullying is one of the most common types of bullying. In verbal bullying the main weapon the bully uses is their voice.

Social Bullying/Relational Aggression

This is any bully that is done with the intent to hurt somebody’s reputation or social standing. Social bullying often happens between friends. It can happen in two ways: either by trying to exclude somebody and make them feel unwanted, or by gaining somebody’s trust and then breaking it. Social bullying could include spreading a friend’s secret all over school to damage their reputation, or encouraging others to ignore, chastise, or threaten a friend. The movie Mean Girls (2004) shows many examples of this kind of bullying. This type of bullying is most common among girls, but can certainly happen with guys as well. In social bullying, the main weapons the bully uses are relationships.

Cyberbullying

This is any bullying that happens over any technological device. This includes email, instant messaging, social networking sites (such as Facebook), text messages, and cell phones. Cyberbullying is one of the trickiest forms of bullying because it is so new. Many adults are not familiar with the latest technology, making it difficult for them to know what to look for or how to intervene. The weapon the bully uses in cyberbullying is technology.

Quote (Blah58 @ Jul 28 2017 07:23pm)

Is bullying part of the show? Yes, but a very small, almost inconsequential part.

To put it in terms of the guy previously(Kayeto). Saying 13RW is about bullying is like saying lotr is about the balrog. I mean it has an impact on the overall story for sure but it is a very small element of a much bigger picture.

Quote (Blah58 @ Jul 28 2017 11:38pm)

Is the show about the entire high school cast and how they are dealing with bullying or is it about Hannah killing herself because of the actions of certain people and those people dealing with the consequences of their actions?

Quote (stupidkid282 @ Jul 28 2017 04:43pm)

The show is about Hannah, and about all the events that lead up to her suicide including events of harrassment, bullying, rape, outcasting, failure, lack of trust and so forth. However, since the main high school cast is always heavily involved with the events (obviously certain people at specific times), then their personal experiences with social behavior is also important to the show....as it is clearly evident throughout.