Who hasn't done evil in the show though? lol

The male Starks ofc. John and Bran are both pretty pure and the story is obviously all focused around John. I think realistically, we'll be lucky if 4 characters from this past episode live to the end of the show.

John has executed people, some that arguably probably shouldn't have been/didn't have to be.
Bran fucked with time. One of the worst offences possible.

Sam is probably the only "pure" adult/developed(as in mentally) character in the entire show. Not sure if that will save him though.

This post was edited by Blah58 on Jul 19 2017 02:55am

Who says fucking with time is a bad thing and obviously he's doing exactly what he needs to do to save the world. Who has snow executed that didn't deserve to die? Mutineers can't be allowed to live, they literally killed their Lord Commander and tried to doom all of humanity, fuck everyone that he killed.

Sam is good, but he's going to die soon. He just fucked up and I'm pretty sure there are going to be some grave consequences for him breaking those rules.

I'm not saying being good = life, but I do believe that by the end of this, all of the evil people will be dead and at this point Arya is pretty fucking evil. I'm hoping Sansa kills little finger soon, and I'd also like her to die, but I could see her ruling as well.

Martin is insane, we're just going to have to wait and see.

I mean you are saying joun is good because the people he killed deserved to die, but then Arya is evil? She has only killed extremely bad people, people way worse than the ones John killed. Bit of strange logic there.

Honestly I hope the white walkers win, have season 7 being too much in fighting making the human armies weak and season 8 being the last stand so to speak and them losing. But I know that wont happen. Season 7 will probably deal with the walkers and season 8 will probably decide the throne.

All I really know is Jamie is totally killing Cersei at some point.

I don't think I ever said I was basing my statements off who Arya had killed thus far.. It's just pretty clear that something inside her has snapped. Her sole purpose in life is to exact revenge and murder those who have wronged her family. It's an evil motive and I can't see her having a purpose in living once she's finished her directive, not that the many faced God will allow her to live anyways. Which is how I see her dying btw, she disobeyed and is using what she learned for A personal vendetta, she's going to get wrecked for that.

That being said, a large number of the people Arya killed in this last episode were fairly innocent. Not that any of them deserved to live, but they were following their masters orders. Do it or I'll kill you and your entire family. That wasn't the case with the Nights Watch members who made a decision of their own accord to betray and murder their commanding officer. People can kill and be good and people can kill and be evil, everything depends on the motives behind those actions, not the action themselves. Thought that'd be pretty straightforward.

I don't think the situation with the freys was that simple, I mean they did celebrate the shit out of the mass murder, and did things that weren't needed but still done out of depravity like the wolf head thing.

You could also make the argument that not all the Knights watch were 100% in on it of their own free will but were pressured into it. The Knights watch situation is very culty in nature anyways, pushing impressionable minds into thinking your way I'd the best way wouldn't exactly be that hard.

I don't think John or Arya are either good or evil/bad personally. They both have done what they think they needed to do. As far as Arya knows at the moment she is the last Stark alive, so her reaction is pretty understandable.

John is without a doubt good. Every decision he makes is noble or good, he's his uncle through and through. Like I said, they didn't deserve to live, but they were more innocent than the Nights Watch dbags imo, but that's a matter of opinion. Once again though, it's not about who they've killed, it's their general attitude, purpose and goals. John is fixated on saving mankind, while Arya doesn't give a fuck about herself or anyone, she just wants to murder the fuck out of everyone who wronged her or her family. Sure, they're all evil people, but when you're only goal in life is death and destruction, you've lost your humanity and you're in my mind, an evil person.


It's all pointless though regardless, Martin has shown there's no real pattern to how he murders everyone. I'd say John/Danny are the only two safe people for this season and they might not survive season 8.

This post was edited by jadeoshbogosh on Jul 19 2017 03:47am

Along with Jon/Dany, Tyrion is also safe for now. If any of those 3 ever die, it can onlyl be right near the end of the series.

I feel like Sam and Brienne are also 100% safe in the longterm. If there was a "dead pool" I'd feel very confident picking those two to be in comfortable situations when the series ends.

This post was edited by Kayeto on Jul 19 2017 06:23am

I have a bad feeling about Sam... For some reason, I think these crazy old fucks are going to have a pretty harsh punishment, that may even result in death for him going into that section. He's served his purpose, they know where the Dragon glass is now, he's not really needed for anything else, although I'd like him to stick around of course, I just think he'll be one of the fuck you Martin deaths this season, maybe even as early as next episode. We'll see. Its weird, because before, you knew everything was building to something, but you had no idea exactly what or how it'd get there. Now we're starting to see a pretty fucking clear path and it forces the story to be at times predictable. Characters who serve a purpose will only stay alive until their purpose is served, at least that's my guess on it.