What about Luke going into hiding from the Empire yet he keeps the Skywalker name while living on the planet Darth Vader grew up on?

What about Obi Wan hiding there too with his same last name and dressed as a fucking jedi?

What about the countless times R2D2 helped Obi Wan yet in the original trilogy he says he never saw them before?

What about when Yoda taught Luke to become a Jedi Master in a single afternoon?

What about how no one knows what Jedi are yet they were a huge deal only 20 years ago and basically helped run the galaxy?

What about when Obi Wan said Yoda was his master yet in the prequels it was Qui-Gon?

What about how Chewie knew Yoda and other jedi yet him and Han don't believe Obi Wan that jedi are a thing?

What about how Leia talks about knowing her and Luke's mother yet apparently she died during childbirth?

There are plenty more than that.

So which one of these plot holes changes how every single space battle and scene of space travel works in all of the movies and also all of the books, tv shows, and comics?



like i said, the originals had plot holes to be sure. none of them changes how the universe works. they're just bad character interactions mostly centering around how people forget about jedis.


some of your plotholes aren't really holes tho, or at least can be explained. look up common answers on Luke's training with Yoda for example.


also, many of these errors happen because Lucas thoughts episodes 1, 2, and 3 would never be made. so the source material he wrote for that was only partially used. whereas JJ and Rian had the original movies already done and there to draw from.

Rian didn't write himself into anything. Did you literally ignore my post? The line about the shielding that you mentioned wasn't in TLJ, it was in a different movie and was literally referencing a specific shield.

Literally no other shielding technology has ever been explained in star wars ever. To assume they are all the same as some shitty throw away line JJ put in so he could have a cool spaceship scene is absurd. There is literally no logical consistency to the shielding in anything Star Wars.

Light speed seems to show that physical objects in space don't actually matter once you are in light speed, it seems similar to some warp space, and not actual light speed, it is just called that and not actual light speed. The "light speed" travel in Star Wars is pretty near instant travel between star systems, so clearly they don't literally mean actual moving at the speed of light, that would be too slow. If you accept that, then you accept once a ship is in "light speed" it doesn't interact with objects outside of "light speed". So from that we can assume the Holdos "light speed" attack only worked because it takes a longer runway, so to speak, for bigger ships to actually make the jump, which is why it worked, because the ship she used was massive.

ok, so lets assume literally all of the "physics" you're saying are correct, im fine with that. the story can have whatever made up mechanics it wants.

since TLJ and all of the other movies exist in the same universe isn't it stupid that no one, in thousands of years of space battles in this universe, has never once ever tried this?

we can speculate on the specifics all day, but that doesnt change the effect that has on the rest of the series.

have u seen ROTS? odd there were no lightspeed attacks........

Remember Pearl Harbor?

Why don't people still do that? Maybe because it's fucking retarded to do suicide attacks? Maybe because people don't want to die? Weird.

so it's dumb and you're only to do suicide attacks out of desperation at the end of the movie. but when Poe commanded thousands to die to take out one dreadnaught, that didnt even have Snoke/Kylo in it, it was ok?

how about when they sacrificed thousands against the death star, or against star killer base?

post after post you are making strawman attacks, my problem is with consistency/coherency, as much or more than the actual plot.

plus, they can just program droid pilots to suicide, lol.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Dec 23 2019 01:28pm

JJ literally wrote act 1 of a 3 act play with zero ideas or plans for acts 2 and 3 then ditched and forced Rian to come in and try to figure out where to take the story, and honestly he took it in a good direction. The only bad thing about TLJ is the fanboys who threw a tantrum over it which caused Disney to go into panic mode and get JJ back to try and retcon the entire movie.

TLJ was a great middle to a story that could have been done so much better if the studio wasn't filled with pussies scared to do anything different.

I'm going to make an assumption about what Rian would have done with RoS if he had been allowed to finish it, because honestly it seems pretty fucking obvious to me. I am going to do this by firing the puzzle pieces into the version of RoS that we got because I'm not going to do an entire screenplay from scratch.

1) palpy isn't back, JJ clearly brought him back because after TLJ all the fanbitches complained about how snoke was a shot villain and Palpatine is so much better, so JJ gave them palpy because it is what they said they wanted.

2) The entire fake chewie death trying never happens, it's honestly pretty lazy writing, either he is very obviously captured and in need of rescue, or he isn't. None of this wishy washy half way he is dead, actually nope changed our mind bs.

3) Snoke isn't a clone, Kylo is the big bad, he finds information in Snokes (mostly) destroyed ship that leads him to Snokes hidden armada at the Sith planet. Rey sees it through their connection which starts her quest to find a way to the sith planet, this can still happen on death star#2

4) Knights of Ren are thrown at Rey throughout the movie on her way to stop Kylo. She needs to defeat them. 1 or 2 happen basically where kylo keeps being.. so at the dagger, at the death star, and on the Sith planet before she gets to Kylo.

5) Rey stays a "no one" so to speak.

6) The "will they won't they" Finn/Rey thing is never hinted at, Rose isn't delegated to being a background character, random female storm trooper isn't invented to take her place. Finn and Rose being a thing was clearly the direction Rian wanted to go.

7) Kylo and Rey aren't a romance, no cringy kiss.

8) Dark Rey isn't a thing, she already went through her version of that with Luke in TLJ.

9) Hux isn't a spy, clearly this was only done because rebels did it first and it was successful, but rebels earned it, RoS didn't.

10) Luke has more screen time, or none. Clearly by the end of TLJ Luke had gone through character development, went through an arc of hating the Jedi to believing again. This arc needed more of an explanation in RoS, or to not be in the movie at all.

11) Lando, I'd personally prefer him to not be in the movie but he kind of has to be, so he needs accrual set up for his appearance to make sense. One throw away line of dialogue from Leia about calling an old friend or something would be hinting without ribbing the surprising.

12) Rey defeats/kills Kylo in the end, maybe this is what ends up killing Leia?

Most of these changes don't change the majority of the film, just some key aspects. Most of them were clearly done the way JJ did them instead of the obviously better way to try and appease fans.

Edit 13) Leia wasn't trained as a Jedi.

This post was edited by Blah58 on Dec 23 2019 02:01pm

I thought the original plan was to have Rian only ever do the 2nd movie:



i agree with most of the chances you'd make to ROS, but id also make as many changes or more to TLJ.

You can't say no one in history has done it before. It is star wars canon that A LOT of the history of the galaxy had been lost. There is close to, if not more, than ten thousand years of interstellar history. No one has done it in the 9 movies for very obvious reasons. It is pretty clearly a last ditch effort in a no hope situation that requires sacrificing an extremely powerful/large mega-ship to succeed. It also requires a target that is worth the effort. These two things lined up in TLJ in a way they never have before in the 9 movies.

Yeah I'm pretty sure the plan was to have the Jurassic world guy do #3. My point is I think having 1 person do it would be significantly better because they can realize a full story. I'm adjusting #3 based on #2 because I liked the direction Rian took #2, even if there are elements I don't like, I liked the overall direction.

I'm sure you could make a very similar list for TLJ if you changed it based on FA and if JJ had done it instead of Rian. I think it would be a far less interesting story though (and I think RoS proves that).

This post was edited by Blah58 on Dec 23 2019 01:51pm