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May 18 2015 07:33pm
In westeros the marriage isn't official until they have sex.

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May 18 2015 07:43pm
sophie turner yummyyyyyyyyyyyy
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May 18 2015 08:09pm
Quote (izParagonzi @ 18 May 2015 19:52)
As a wife is supposed to do in that time, give the man what he wants without question. It is a form of rape, she consented
to marriage, not abuse... BUT... she knew damn well what was coming, and it was her only way to survive to get her land
back.

Note: above is opinion, haven't read books etc.
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Disappointing episode for me... the hearing was definately too easy to read, I thought the queens' mother had more brains
and would have seen it would have been a setup, and that they would have had a witness.

Glad Arya passed, I think the other girl is going to be jealous of her for getting further in such a short amount of time.


I mean at this point, the whole stuck up little virging girl act had to go. She was bound to get fucked. Rape or not, hopefully we see another side(boob) of her now.
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Quote (izParagonzi @ May 18 2015 06:52pm)
As a wife is supposed to do in that time, give the man what he wants without question. It is a form of rape, she consented
to marriage, not abuse... BUT... she knew damn well what was coming, and it was her only way to survive to get her land
back.

legally, it wasn't rape. Ethically/morally they are using that scene to show the difference between how Sansa gets treated by Ramsay vs what she had with Tyrion. Sansa was so 'repulsed' by Tyrion, but suddenly now he doesn't seem so bad. She's getting a little life experience to rethink her expectations for the world.

Quote (izParagonzi @ May 18 2015 06:52pm)
Disappointing episode for me... the hearing was definately too easy to read, I thought the queens' mother had more brains
and would have seen it would have been a setup
, and that they would have had a witness.

If you just take it at face value, then I don't disagree with you on that point. However, as a book reader I know that it is just part of a setup for a bigger plotline, so I can't really knock the show for the way that played out.

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I mean at this point, the whole stuck up little virging girl act had to go. She was bound to get fucked. Rape or not, hopefully we see another side(boob) of her now.

I'm really wondering what they are up against for that.

Contractually, I doubt she has signed up agreeing to do frontal nudity. When the show started, Sophie Turner wasn't old enough. Do they renegotiate contracts yearly? I don't think so, cuz I remember reading that Davos had like a 3-year contract or something. My best guess is that she probably hasn't renegotiated a contract that stipulates nudity since she only turned 18 ~15months ago.

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Quote (izParagonzi @ 18 May 2015 19:52)
As a wife is supposed to do in that time, give the man what he wants without question. It is a form of rape, she consented
to marriage, not abuse... BUT... she knew damn well what was coming, and it was her only way to survive to get her land
back.

Note: above is opinion, haven't read books etc.
________________________

Disappointing episode for me... the hearing was definately too easy to read, I thought the queens' mother had more brains
and would have seen it would have been a setup, and that they would have had a witness.

Glad Arya passed, I think the other girl is going to be jealous of her for getting further in such a short amount of time.


Well, having read the books isn't giving me the certitude it used to as far as predicting things, but here's a hint you can work out through what they show you in the series.

The teenager who's hot the symbol carved on his forehead, he's lancel, and he's been involved as an accessory in a lot of stuff since the beginning.

Try to remember back what cercei asked him to do in season one, both regarding her husband, and how she bought his service. Tyrion blackmailed him in season two about that too.

Now think of how devoted he is to the gods now...

Cercei might very well be about to realize how utterly stupid her decision was to let the church arm itself.

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Well, having read the books isn't giving me the certitude it used to as far as predicting things, but here's a hint you can work out through what they show you in the series.

The teenager who's hot the symbol carved on his forehead, he's lancel, and he's been involved as an accessory in a lot of stuff since the beginning.

Try to remember back what cercei asked him to do in season one, both regarding her husband, and how she bought his service.

Now think of how devoted he is to the gods now...

Cercei might very well be about to realize how utterly stupid her decision was to let the church arm itself.


in my opinion ur going too far with spoiler-esque stuff there

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in my opinion ur going too far with spoiler-esque stuff there


I'm just connecting dots that are already in the show. They might, or might not do it too, considering the sweeping changes.

Edit: I kind of wish they still had that invisible tag for spoilers here like back in the day though.

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Quote (StephanePare @ May 19 2015 07:29pm)
Well, having read the books isn't giving me the certitude it used to as far as predicting things, but here's a hint you can work out through what they show you in the series.

The teenager who's hot the symbol carved on his forehead, he's lancel, and he's been involved as an accessory in a lot of stuff since the beginning.

Try to remember back what cercei asked him to do in season one, both regarding her husband, and how she bought his service. Tyrion blackmailed him in season two about that too.

Now think of how devoted he is to the gods now...

Cercei might very well be about to realize how utterly stupid her decision was to let the church arm itself.


Quote (kayeto @ May 19 2015 07:33pm)
in my opinion ur going too far with spoiler-esque stuff there


Quote (StephanePare @ May 19 2015 07:48pm)
I'm just connecting dots that are already in the show. They might, or might not do it too, considering the sweeping changes.

Edit: I kind of wish they still had that invisible tag for spoilers here like back in the day though.


He is correct... too much spoiler information posted in a subtle way... yet it is still a spoiler alert.

Quote (kayeto @ May 19 2015 07:25pm)
legally, it wasn't rape. Ethically/morally they are using that scene to show the difference between how Sansa gets treated by Ramsay vs what she had with Tyrion. Sansa was so 'repulsed' by Tyrion, but suddenly now he doesn't seem so bad. She's getting a little life experience to rethink her expectations for the world.


If you just take it at face value, then I don't disagree with you on that point. However, as a book reader I know that it is just part of a setup for a bigger plotline, so I can't really knock the show for the way that played out.


I'm really wondering what they are up against for that.

Contractually, I doubt she has signed up agreeing to do frontal nudity. When the show started, Sophie Turner wasn't old enough. Do they renegotiate contracts yearly? I don't think so, cuz I remember reading that Davos had like a 3-year contract or something. My best guess is that she probably hasn't renegotiated a contract that stipulates nudity since she only turned 18 ~15months ago.


Legally, it is rape in our perception based on our beliefs in this time period, as for my dads time [about 30 years ago], it was known that even the police officers could NOT get involved in family matters... i.e. when my father was beating my mother or myself in the main streets of the city. Now that was ONLY 30 years ago, so can you imagine what went on during those days, husbands raping their wives when they felt like it, and the government could not do anything even in a court of law... take that into effect when in GoT none of those rules applied... personally, don't give advice when you have not experienced it. If you believe me to be WRONG, you have not lived my life or experiences in the 48 years I have been around, this is not including the experiences of family members that are 15-25 years older than myself.

As for the Queens mother being an imbecile and getting played in the inquiry... she should have known better, her age, her experiences and her knowledge of manipulation from past experiences should have MADE her more aware... it is not I who takes it on face value, it is you whom thinks that experience vs basic manipulation is null and void, whether it comes from reading the writers explanations or not... basically... think for yourself, not the writers interpretation of what should happen etc.
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Quote (izParagonzi @ May 19 2015 08:21am)
He is correct... too much spoiler information posted in a subtle way... yet it is still a spoiler alert.



Legally, it is rape in our perception based on our beliefs in this time period, as for my dads time [about 30 years ago], it was known that even the police officers could NOT get involved in family matters... i.e. when my father was beating my mother or myself in the main streets of the city. Now that was ONLY 30 years ago, so can you imagine what went on during those days, husbands raping their wives when they felt like it, and the government could not do anything even in a court of law... take that into effect when in GoT none of those rules applied... personally, don't give advice when you have not experienced it. If you believe me to be WRONG, you have not lived my life or experiences in the 48 years I have been around, this is not including the experiences of family members that are 15-25 years older than myself.

As for the Queens mother being an imbecile and getting played in the inquiry... she should have known better, her age, her experiences and her knowledge of manipulation from past experiences should have MADE her more aware... it is not I who takes it on face value, it is you whom thinks that experience vs basic manipulation is null and void, whether it comes from reading the writers explanations or not... basically... think for yourself, not the writers interpretation of what should happen etc.


If I'm 48 and still using this forum , someone shoot me please
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Quote (-=vasya=- @ May 19 2015 10:52pm)
If I'm 48 and still using this forum , someone shoot me please


Shoot yourself if you feel that way, don't ask others to do what you want.
Get over it, you joined 2006 [March], I joined 2006 [April], by my account
you are older on jsp than I, so how about you take your advice and end
your own life and put us out of our misery for being incompetent in your
own words from the post I just quoted... age has nothing to do with it
on JSP.
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