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Jul 1 2017 12:24am
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Yep. Movies are making more money than they ever have. This is an argument you see far too often on the internet and it's one used by only the woefully misinformed.

@izParagonzi - I also didn't bother reading the rest of your post, but I will in the morning when I'm a little more awake.
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Jul 1 2017 12:59am
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Didn't read beyond bolded because it is wrong and uneducated. Movie audiences have done nothing but grow. All of the top selling (opening weekend) films have been post-2000. Obviously the early movies like fine with the wind and star wars and shit have huge numbers, but that is from multiple releases over 30+ years. Movies these days only get one release so it is hard to compare by ticket sales unless you want to spend hours on research.

In fact there have even been studies done in the music industry that show popular pirated songs/albums usually have extremely high sales. A lot of people seem ok spending money if they like the product and pirating seems to be a way of product testing more than actually "stealing". You might think that is bullshit because of how you personally do things, but you aren't the majority.


Double edged sword ... those that can afford may (optimum wording) watch/purchase, those that can't will rely on other means, even if they wait a month or more after release to view. Not my own consensus, statement comes from others over the years as well.

The research for these studies you have acknowledged in your post are only done on a small number of participants or results that have been available to access... how about the people that have handed a copy to their friends that are not added in the study? It doesn't show up on sales records because there isn't one, they haven't been registered in the study by people that have not participated, thus the study is incomplete and only an assessment ... you can not put all your points based on an incomplete assessment study.

I used to participate in product research on many occasions for extra cash before product release, and the survey results are always from a minor amount of participants.
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Jul 1 2017 01:10am
Quote (izParagonzi @ Jul 1 2017 12:59am)
Double edged sword ... those that can afford may (optimum wording) watch/purchase, those that can't will rely on other means, even if they wait a month or more after release to view. Not my own consensus, statement comes from others over the years as well.

The research for these studies you have acknowledged in your post are only done on a small number of participants or results that have been available to access... how about the people that have handed a copy to their friends that are not added in the study? It doesn't show up on sales records because there isn't one, they haven't been registered in the study by people that have not participated, thus the study is incomplete and only an assessment ... you can not put all your points based on an incomplete assessment study.

I used to participate in product research on many occasions for extra cash before product release, and the survey results are always from a minor amount of participants.


You don't seem to understand the point of the type of study I mentioned. Nothing you said makes any sense in relation to it. What the studies do is look at pirating numbers from the most popular websites and look at sales numbers. What did anything you said have to do with that kind of data? :bonk:

A quote from one study
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From the results, I conclude that file sharing activity has a statistically significant but economically modest negative effect on legitimate music sales,” Lee writes.

Interestingly, however, this negative result is largely driven by physical sales. For many artists, piracy actually boosts digital sales.


Don't think I can link the source article because it is related to a torrent site, shouldn't be hard to find if you want to read the paper yourself though.

Basically the answer is if you limit a consumers ability to get your product you will see negative impact on sales. If you don't limit it you will actually see a positive impact. Personally I believe that limiting access is the sole reason for certain things to see negatively impacted sales.
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Jul 1 2017 01:39am
Quote (Blah58 @ Jul 1 2017 08:10pm)
You don't seem to understand the point of the type of study I mentioned. Nothing you said makes any sense in relation to it. What the studies do is look at pirating numbers from the most popular websites and look at sales numbers. What did anything you said have to do with that kind of data? :bonk:

A quote from one study


Don't think I can link the source article because it is related to a torrent site, shouldn't be hard to find if you want to read the paper yourself though.

Basically the answer is if you limit a consumers ability to get your product you will see negative impact on sales. If you don't limit it you will actually see a positive impact. Personally I believe that limiting access is the sole reason for certain things to see negatively impacted sales.


You pointed out exactly what I stated, but, you have misread what I wrote, or, I wrote it in a way that it was misinterpreted by you and maybe others.

Lee's conclusion (which is what he wrote in your quote) states a significant negative effect on legitimate music sales, then says this result increases physical sales.
What research material did he access to come to this conclusion? Well, the information was recorded by activity reports and sales reports. This is totally 100% correct,
and he came to this conclusion with the information available, this does NOT however make his statement 100% accurate, so he stated "I conclude" in recognition
to this (my interpretation), so it is not infallible.

He can not say it is 100% accurate based on information that is not recorded, like a person buying the CD, liking the song and sharing these by copying to CDs and giving
to friends and family, or a person pirating the song and also sharing it to friends and family by sending it by email or making CD copies as well. I can concede that some
people listened to the song and purchased it for personal use or I could also conclude that physical sales went up because it made a great gift for a loved one.

Music is different in some (keyword) cases compared to movies, music is replayed more often than a movie, thus, results will vary.

EDIT: Sales can still go up through word of mouth or in the internet age, written topics or email messages to friends and family. Again it is not limited.

This post was edited by izParagonzi on Jul 1 2017 01:41am
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Jul 1 2017 12:16pm
Quote (izParagonzi @ Jul 1 2017 01:39am)
You pointed out exactly what I stated, but, you have misread what I wrote, or, I wrote it in a way that it was misinterpreted by you and maybe others.

Lee's conclusion (which is what he wrote in your quote) states a significant negative effect on legitimate music sales, then says this result increases physical sales.
What research material did he access to come to this conclusion? Well, the information was recorded by activity reports and sales reports. This is totally 100% correct,
and he came to this conclusion with the information available, this does NOT however make his statement 100% accurate, so he stated "I conclude" in recognition
to this (my interpretation), so it is not infallible.

He can not say it is 100% accurate based on information that is not recorded, like a person buying the CD, liking the song and sharing these by copying to CDs and giving
to friends and family, or a person pirating the song and also sharing it to friends and family by sending it by email or making CD copies as well. I can concede that some
people listened to the song and purchased it for personal use or I could also conclude that physical sales went up because it made a great gift for a loved one.

Music is different in some (keyword) cases compared to movies, music is replayed more often than a movie, thus, results will vary.

EDIT: Sales can still go up through word of mouth or in the internet age, written topics or email messages to friends and family. Again it is not limited.


You are an idiot. I am done trying to explain things to someone with a toddler level IQ.
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Jul 1 2017 07:38pm
Quote (Blah58 @ Jul 2 2017 07:16am)
You are an idiot. I am done trying to explain things to someone with a toddler level IQ.


:rofl: tantrum much... so easy... too easy to reply.
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Jul 1 2017 07:50pm
Quote (izParagonzi @ Jul 1 2017 07:38pm)
:rofl: tantrum much... so easy... too easy to reply.


Calling someone an idiot doesn't make you mad.
You're just supporting what he said.

This post was edited by FroggyG on Jul 1 2017 07:50pm
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