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May 22 2017 03:24pm
Quote (Blah58 @ May 22 2017 09:15pm)
You don't know that at all. Her parents were always fighting about money. A guy made advances on her which was not harassment or bullying as he stopped when she said to, as he said he thought she was easy(dick move but not wrong) nonetheless it scarred her which caused her to push Clay away. Then she convinced her parents to trust her and fucked it up while at the same time making the previously ​mentioned money issues worse.

There were a lot of non-bullying non-harassment related issues that along with the harassment and rape and mild bullying lead her down a path. And this isn't even bringing mental health into the situation.

And no, you definitely shouldn't​ use blanket terms, especially the way you are. How would you like it if your daughter was raped? Would you say "ah its just bullying, suspend him from school for a few days that sounds like a fitting punishment for bullying". Or would you then think of it as criminal? Cmon hypocrite, give an answer.


I can use the term how I want to. Read the rest of the thread, I've already backed myself up quite a bit. I've already used all the terms necessary prior, and i don't need to continuously type it all out because you have little comprehension.

It's not my fault you picked this back up after now 19 pages.


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I don't think the show is predominantly about suicide either, without being disrespectful towards those of you who think otherwise.

It's called "13 reasons why" for a reason though - and we get detailed explanations as to why she did what she did. So that's the focus of the show, the "why".

Actions, no matter whether they're either horrific (rape) or perceived as mild (rumour spreading) - all have consequences!

If nothing this show raises awareness to this, the "why" - the fact there are massive problems that go ignored for many people until it's too late.

The show isn't sending the message "people commit suicide" - this isn't a revolutionary concept, i mean we all know people take their own lives.



The point I have been trying to convey.
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May 22 2017 03:45pm
Quote (WelSh @ May 22 2017 03:16pm)
I don't think the show is predominantly about suicide either, without being disrespectful towards those of you who think otherwise.

It's called "13 reasons why" for a reason though - and we get detailed explanations as to why she did what she did. So that's the focus of the show, the "why".

Actions, no matter whether they're either horrific (rape) or perceived as mild (rumour spreading) - all have consequences!

If nothing this show raises awareness to this, the "why" - the fact there are massive problems that go ignored for many people until it's too late.

The show isn't sending the message "people commit suicide" - this isn't a revolutionary concept, i mean we all know people take their own lives.


The why is a big part, I also am not sure which parts of the flashbacks are specifically on the tapes. Like are any of the interactions with her parents on them or just in the show to better tell the story? As I said before I think the main message is she could/should have gotten help. That is the one thing in the show that is repeated multiple times. We could have helped her, any one of us could have helped. We failed her. Etc.

To me it's about trying to get help but it is also supposed to be a wake up call for everyone else. Like you know people in your life that need help, what are you waiting for, stop ignoring it.

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I can use the term how I want to. Read the rest of the thread, I've already backed myself up quite a bit. I've already used all the terms necessary prior, and i don't need to continuously type it all out because you have little comprehension.

It's not my fault you picked this back up after now 19 pages.


If you don't want to talk about the show then fuck off? Saying 'read my previous posts' is not a reason to keep posting.
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The why is a big part, I also am not sure which parts of the flashbacks are specifically on the tapes. Like are any of the interactions with her parents on them or just in the show to better tell the story? As I said before I think the main message is she could/should have gotten help. That is the one thing in the show that is repeated multiple times. We could have helped her, any one of us could have helped. We failed her. Etc.

To me it's about trying to get help but it is also supposed to be a wake up call for everyone else. Like you know people in your life that need help, what are you waiting for, stop ignoring it.



If you don't want to talk about the show then fuck off? Saying 'read my previous posts' is not a reason to keep posting.



Agreed, it's also about taking notice, becoming self aware of ones own actions but also noticing people and what your actions could do to anyone.

Also, a competent, approachable support system/network is vital for these kids. The 13th tape is perhaps the saddest and biggest failure.
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Quote (WelSh @ May 22 2017 03:50pm)
Agreed, it's also about taking notice, becoming self aware of ones own actions but also noticing people and what your actions could do to anyone.

Also, a competent, approachable support system/network is vital for these kids. The 13th tape is perhaps the saddest and biggest failure.


I saw an interview right after watching the show with either the show runner or author not sure which. He brought up the names of like 10 kids and talks about how they all committed suicide after basically begging for help and not getting it. Amanda Todd was one of the names he mentioned and I remember that story blowing up on the internet. The girl made a video taking about how she needs help and can't handle it and all the adults in her life ignored it and the kids just used it as fuel to bully her more. Pretty fucked situation. There definitely needs to be a better support system in place for people.

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Quote (Blah58 @ May 22 2017 09:57pm)
I saw an interview right after watching the show with either the show runner or author not sure which. He brought up the names of like 10 kids and talks about how they all committed suicide after basically begging for help and not getting it. Amanda Todd was one of the names he mentioned and I remember that story blowing up on the internet. The girl made a video taking about how she needs help and can't handle it and all the adults in her life ignored it and the kids just used it as fuel to bully her more. Pretty fucked situation. There definitely needs to be a better support system in place for people.



Telling me to fuck off because I'm asking you to read my previous comments (as I have been the most frequent poster in this thread) is not very bright.



The show touches a little bit with social media, of course, with how quickly texting can happen and rumors can start.

I feel bad for kids these days.

When I was in school, if something (bad) happened, it might be talked about for a couple days, and then forgotten. Now, it's videoed, pictured, texted, plastered all over social media and YouTube, and can continuously be damaging to the victim. Facebook didn't exist until I was in college, and then, you had to have a college email to access it.

This all leads me to say that any online support system just doesn't work, and will not work. As brilliant as the Internet has been, it's such a miserable place. Unfortunately that leaves people with teachers, and friends, which neither can be that reliable. It all comes down to good, caring parents who put their children first. This didn't help Hannah, but it could have helped Alex, and good parenting definitely helps preventing bullys.

When all is said and done, I unfortunately, truely believe that bullying and harrassment is going to continuously get worse, and I don't even have any suggestions on how to fix it. Conversation in a healthy atmosphere could help a lot, but that requires a lot of courage from those who are hurt in some form.

I still fully support the show showing different types of bullying and harrassment and hopefully it opened up some eyes on how not to treat people. I think morals are down. Never in my life have I ever cat-called, nor touched a female in an unwanted way, and I knew from a very young age right from wrong in that context.

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on May 22 2017 04:25pm
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Telling me to fuck off because I'm asking you to read my previous comments (as I have been the most frequent poster in this thread) is not very bright.


Only read this because this statement proves nothing you have to say is worth reading.
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Only read this because this statement proves nothing you have to say is worth reading.


that's nice.



I have posted the most in this thread than any other user, providing detailed explanations and interpretation. And then here comes Blah, saying that I don't want to to talk about the showand tells me to fuck off, when all I did was say, read my previous posts.



You are completely illogical. And ignoring relative content, after telling me I didn't want to talk about the show. Now THAT is hypocritical.


I literally told you to read my previous posts because I WAS using the terminology that you wanted me to use.

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that's nice.



I have posted the most in this thread than any other user, providing detailed explanations and interpretation. And then here comes Blah, saying that I don't want to to talk about the showand tells me to fuck off, when all I did was say, read my previous posts.



You are completely illogical. And ignoring relative content, after telling meI didn't want to talk about the show. Now THAT is hypocritical.


I literally told you to read my previous posts because I WAS using the terminology that you wanted me to use.


I don't give a shit about reading 19 pages of your bullshit, it was hard enough to read 2. I care even less considering I wasn't involved.

How many times you have posted says absolutely nothing. It matters in absolutely no way. If you don't want to discuss it and only want to say "refer to my previous posts" then you have no reason to be here. So fuck off?

Before you reply know I'm done here. You have nothing worth saying and there is no reason to talk to you about this anymore. You clearly haven't watched the show, or at least not paid it full attention while watching.
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I don't give a shit about reading 19 pages of your bullshit, it was hard enough to read 2. I care even less considering I wasn't involved.

How many times you have posted says absolutely nothing. It matters in absolutely no way. If you don't want to discuss it and only want to say "refer to my previous posts" then you have no reason to be here. So fuck off?

Before you reply know I'm done here. You have nothing worth saying and there is no reason to talk to you about this anymore. You clearly haven't watched the show, or at least not paid it full attention while watching.



Someone's mad :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:




You're so unintelligent, I can't even handle it. Literally, you are not resourceful and you want everything spoon fed to you. Why would i regurgitate all the posts I already made just to please your highness?

And I can't wait for you to continue commenting in this thread.

But clearly, clearly I haven't watched the show.

How many times I have posted CLEARLY matters, it means I AM HERE TO TALK ABOUT THE SHOW.



But carry on, troll more, write more dumb posts and cry about how you are incapable of looking back some pages.

This post was edited by stupidkid282 on May 22 2017 05:31pm
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