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Aug 9 2015 10:26pm
Sigh.. I cannot tell you how much I wanted the scene at the park to happen.

What an amazing ending to a fantastic season, very powerful :(

I will praise this damn season forever such perfection... God damn first time a TV show has hit so many nerves at once shits madness.

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Aug 9 2015 10:34pm
Main characters all acted like absolute retards at the end. Opposite of last season , strong start shitty end as opposed to last years slow start and fantastic ending.
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Aug 9 2015 10:39pm
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Main characters all acted like absolute retards at the end. Opposite of last season , strong start shitty end as opposed to last years slow start and fantastic ending.


Ray's death was justified if overly dramatic; he was trapped and had no real options to escape, Frank's death was a complete joke and a fucking travesty of writing, surprise its me da mexican huehuehue.
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Aug 9 2015 11:52pm
Quote (The_Doves @ Aug 10 2015 12:19am)
Dude was running all the rich parties for so long by himself... I know where he got the money haha... I think us not seeing him more than a few times during the season was the reality of it all. It's always the one's you don't see coming, the one's you least expect. The one's we often times, don't get to see. I like that a show tried something different. And I believe it was intentional. But I can respect your points at least.


The other reason I didn't like it.
The title is True Detective, which season 1 was very good at showing Imo., with all the detective work they did to get the bad guy(s).
This season, they did hella great also Imo., detective work I mean. But I come back to the ending (mostly cause I dont like such endings, you imagine the finale), they did all that to end up being all for nothing?

Season 1, they showed the bad guy 1 time in earlier episodes also. So I guess they tried to stick with that here.
But in s1, they really showed us his life and so on, 1 on 1. S2, not so much.

That punk, was run' the parties, fine. Ofc he made alot of $, then he ofc got more from his fathers death, then he got most of the money that was stolen from Frank and Ray back.
In s1, they rolled around the "bad guys", the governor, his family, etc. Here... we had no idea he was friends with the mexicans... I mean seriously? That came out of no where, and seen only in the last few seconds of the finale.

Again, as I said, I loved the characters, the way they chose to accept their deaths and so forth.
I just feel, writer, got consumed by that part of the show, and lacked to give ppl a tad better ending, or at least a better explanation of it all.
^ is 100% true, I even watched the making of s2, and all the cast kept saying, writer was on set most of the time and his main goal was character build up.

e - Thanks for respecting my opinion :)

This post was edited by James84 on Aug 9 2015 11:54pm
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Aug 10 2015 12:10am
Yeah he went full retard.

They all kinda did.

Ray.
Finds tracker, keeps tracker on car. Finds most remote place to drive through even though he has evidence and leverage on his pursuers.

Paul.
Receives gay pics. Doesn't realize this can clear him from his false claim made by the actress. Doesn't realise he has evidence and leverage on his blackmailers.

Frank.
Manages to get caught in un-known car in a city as huge as LA.

Such convenience and retardation all around.
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Aug 10 2015 12:56am
Quote (James84 @ Aug 10 2015 12:52am)
The other reason I didn't like it.
The title is True Detective, which season 1 was very good at showing Imo., with all the detective work they did to get the bad guy(s).
This season, they did hella great also Imo., detective work I mean. But I come back to the ending (mostly cause I dont like such endings, you imagine the finale), they did all that to end up being all for nothing?

Season 1, they showed the bad guy 1 time in earlier episodes also. So I guess they tried to stick with that here.
But in s1, they really showed us his life and so on, 1 on 1. S2, not so much.

That punk, was run' the parties, fine. Ofc he made alot of $, then he ofc got more from his fathers death, then he got most of the money that was stolen from Frank and Ray back.
In s1, they rolled around the "bad guys", the governor, his family, etc. Here... we had no idea he was friends with the mexicans... I mean seriously? That came out of no where, and seen only in the last few seconds of the finale.

Again, as I said, I loved the characters, the way they chose to accept their deaths and so forth.
I just feel, writer, got consumed by that part of the show, and lacked to give ppl a tad better ending, or at least a better explanation of it all.
^ is 100% true, I even watched the making of s2, and all the cast kept saying, writer was on set most of the time and his main goal was character build up.

e - Thanks for respecting my opinion :)


I don't think the mexicans were involved at all. I think that was just Frank's mess coming back to get him. The mexicans obviously weren't going to take that shit lying down, after he just promised them his club 3 nights a week.
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Quote (The_Doves @ Aug 10 2015 02:56am)
I don't think the mexicans were involved at all. I think that was just Frank's mess coming back to get him. The mexicans obviously weren't going to take that shit lying down, after he just promised them his club 3 nights a week.


I knew they wouldn't, I knew they'd come after him.

Watch the last seconds of the finale again.
When Tony is accepting his new role as governor, those 2 mexicans are right next to him, by his side.
I didn't catch this 1st time watching and was to pissed to even rewind. But 2nd time I saw it, I saw, I was like; oh come now.

Quote (dirTyMan @ Aug 10 2015 02:10am)
Yeah he went full retard.

They all kinda did.

Ray.
Finds tracker, keeps tracker on car. Finds most remote place to drive through even though he has evidence and leverage on his pursuers.

Paul.
Receives gay pics. Doesn't realize this can clear him from his false claim made by the actress. Doesn't realise he has evidence and leverage on his blackmailers.

Frank.
Manages to get caught in un-known car in a city as huge as LA.


Such convenience and retardation all around.


The armenians gave Frank up to the mexicans. They paid the mexicans to get the guns for Frank.
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Aug 10 2015 01:45am
Quote (James84 @ Aug 10 2015 02:07am)
I knew they wouldn't, I knew they'd come after him.

Watch the last seconds of the finale again.
When Tony is accepting his new role as governor, those 2 mexicans are right next to him, by his side.
I didn't catch this 1st time watching and was to pissed to even rewind. But 2nd time I saw it, I saw, I was like; oh come now.



The armenians gave Frank up to the mexicans. They paid the mexicans to get the guns for Frank.


Maybe they just made a deal with him after all that went down? I mean if you think about the timeline... She already had the kid. So, it is possible in those 9 months, the Mexicans and him crossed paths and made some sort of deal. And you are right, I didn't catch that the first time. But, am glad you pointed it out! :) Thanks! ^_^

Still, that's the way I think I would take that scene.

This post was edited by The_Doves on Aug 10 2015 01:45am
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Quote (James84 @ Aug 10 2015 02:07am)
I knew they wouldn't, I knew they'd come after him.

Watch the last seconds of the finale again.
When Tony is accepting his new role as governor, those 2 mexicans are right next to him, by his side.
I didn't catch this 1st time watching and was to pissed to even rewind. But 2nd time I saw it, I saw, I was like; oh come now.



The armenians gave Frank up to the mexicans. They paid the mexicans to get the guns for Frank.


I sorta missed the part where the Armenians got frank the guns. That makes sense now. And that's actually really interesting. Because it means the Russians were still probably behind taking over. They just probably brought someone new in. Which leaves that open question, how far and how powerful does this crime organization go. How dark, etc. That is cool to me.
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Aug 10 2015 02:23am
Quote (The_Doves @ Aug 10 2015 03:45am)
Maybe they just made a deal with him after all that went down? I mean if you think about the timeline... She already had the kid. So, it is possible in those 9 months, the Mexicans and him crossed paths and made some sort of deal. And you are right, I didn't catch that the first time. But, am glad you pointed it out! :) Thanks! ^_^

Still, that's the way I think I would take that scene.


That's why I said, Tony got back alot of the $ he needed to pay off Catalyst, with the Russians, it was probably the Mexicans who gave 1M to him, rest from the crooked cops who took down Ray.
And ofc, alot could've happened, that baby looked close to a 1 year old.
Hovsep said at the poker lounge, his associates/comity/board/w.e, wanted to take him out. So ofc, there was more backers to the whole Catalyst deal. I mean 12M... even for gangsters, is alot of $. Specially cause it had to be "clean", which takes time and alot more than 12M to clean up, lol.

Yw.

Quote (The_Doves @ Aug 10 2015 03:47am)
I sorta missed the part where the Armenians got frank the guns. That makes sense now. And that's actually really interesting. Because it means the Russians were still probably behind taking over. They just probably brought someone new in. Which leaves that open question, how far and how powerful does this crime organization go. How dark, etc. That is cool to me.


Yup, the Mexs, said, where you think they got the guns from?
Also, since I am Armenian, and know that in Cali, they are involved in alot of illegal stuff; they'd pick a Russian, Mexican, almost anyone before they truely ally with a "white gangster" (I'm not trying to be racist).

Yup, most organized syndicats, as I also stated above, have many ppl in the higher ups. The new age isn't like the Godfather, 1 guy calling all the shots, it's more like a group who vote and decide on matters.
So, probably did bring someone else in, purchased the Catalyst contract/land, rekindled friendship with Tony and boom, a part of Cali is now owned by them.

I'll never stop saying this though; I pay $ to watch something, and I'd like more details instead of cryptic finishes.

e - Not everyone cares about $, talkn about the Armenians, and all the $ Frank fed them.

This post was edited by James84 on Aug 10 2015 02:24am
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