Quote (hoipolloi @ Dec 21 2016 11:54pm)

aliens see the future.. they need the humans help for something that will happen in 5,000 years. they can see the future enough to know they'll need human help but not what is going to happen so that they could rectify the issue themselves? doesn't make sense. poor writing.

film tried to say they don't experience time linearly as we do.. which is stupid. they communicate with us in a linear fashion and they are here, now, asking for help with something that will happen in 5,000 years, betraying that they do in fact perceive time as linear, or are at least capable or rearranging fragments into coherent patterns.. which is to say the same thing.

they can also project images of the future into a human's mind. but they can't get by without human assistance in 5,000. they can manipulate time and are vastly technologically superior but they NEED human help. the climax of the film was just stupid. the rest was interesting. most people probably won't/don't care. I thought that was a pretty fail ending for a movie which millions of dollars was invested in.

Quote (Blah58 @ Dec 22 2016 01:44am)

They think differently than we do, you are saying you don't think there are problems that different ways of thinking might be better at solving? Or maybe there will be a war. There are any number of things that would make sense.

They can't manipulate time, they just experience it differently. That doesn't mean that they don't know what time is. That is the entire point of their language. It is like you talking to a 2d person. You are 3d yourself but you can still understand 2d. Same with 4d beings and us.

Also you seemed to understand it reasonably well so I guess it isn't incoherent.

Quote (hoipolloi @ Dec 22 2016 01:58am)

let me know if you need more help comprehending what i'm saying

I wont check this thread again though. and my pm box is full. guess youre outta luck nerd.

Quote (hoipolloi @ Dec 22 2016 02:58am)

I wont check this thread again though. and my pm box is full. guess youre outta luck nerd.

Quote (hoipolloi @ Dec 22 2016 12:58am)

not going to respond to most of what you said, considering I didn't raise the issues and you're just blabbering.

also, understanding aspects of a story says nothing whatever about the incoherence of it's premise?

if I read all about a little boy who goes around making square circles, how he makes them out of plastic and turns them into utensils to eat with, how he fashions a square circle into a Frisbee and tosses it to his friends; if I know all about this story and relate it to you, does that mean the premise isn't incoherent? a square circle is logically impossible. understanding various aspects of the context the incoherency is situated in says nothing about the inherent inconsistency.

let me know if you need more help comprehending what i'm saying

I wont check this thread again though. and my pm box is full. guess youre outta luck nerd.