HotD has had just as many character building moments lol. Name some from GoT in the first four episodes.

-Ned’s honour when passing the execution, something his whole character was built around.
-Jamie doing anything for his sister when pushing Bran from the window. Something that remains true to the very end.
-A fuck tonne of typical Cersei moments, pretty much any time she appears on the screen it’s building her character to be the ruthless, self centred bitch she is.
-Rob Stark taking ownership of political decisions around Winterfell, while Ned travels the kings road to kings landing and Cat refuses to leave Brans side and make any decisions herself. Showing he’s a true young leader.
-Tyrion talking about visiting the wall in front of Mycella and Tommen and then explaining to Jon Snow on the road to the wall of why he reads so much (knowledge)
-Sansa being a dumb little bitch “please convince father to let me marry (Joffrey), it’s all I ever wanted”, something she continues to be throughout the entire show.
-Arya Stark defending the butchers boy against Joffrey, showing her true Stark honourable roots
-Littlefinger being a sly cunt in general

I can continue?

The only characters who don’t have a lot of character development in the first few episodes is Jon Snow and Danaerys Targaryen. A lot of their development comes later as the show progresses.

The only character develops I can see so far in HOTD is Daemon refusing his brothers help and going god mode, Otto being a sly cunt like Littlefinger, and maybe a tiny bit between Alicent and Rhaenyra. Viserys is such a weak character imo and Rhaenys and the Valyrons have all been pretty irrelevant. But all these chars have been very, VERY weak in comparison to the GoT characters up until 4 episodes in. It’s not even really up for debate. Is there even any other characters to comment on? The Lannister twins? Lul

This post was edited by Nwotmik on Sep 12 2022 11:28pm

-Viserys had to choose to cut open his wife he loved knowing she was going to die to try and save a baby that ended up dying. It broke him for a long time and made him vulnerable for Otto to plot.
-Daemon listened in on the council talking about how much of a joke he is and how they have zero respect for him.
-Daemon charges into battle by himself basically trying to kill himself so he didn't have to accept help from his brother and manages to get lucky and live to be a hero. Huge boost to his ego and changes his whole philosophy on life.
-Rhanerya went from watching her parents trying to create an heir to the throne to her father finally accepting her and promising he would never supplant her with a male heir.
-Rhanerya loves and wants to fuck Daemon and he knows it. He leads her on in a plot to eventually get back at his brother but with his new look on life can't pull the trigger. He then lies to his brother in an attempt to marry her.
-Otto Hightower has been plotting the whole time to get his blood on the throne. It all came to a head when Rhanerya finally told Viserys to grab his balls and act like a king.


Literally all just as big if not bigger character developments than what you listed.

This post was edited by fuzzy159 on Sep 12 2022 11:26pm

Read my edit. Just commented on a few things.

I don’t think any of them really compare to early GoT.

Then you a very biased lol.

You are using a fully complete show and saying "Wow look how they developed these characters in season 1 to what they became seasons later!" And then saying "Wow this show that is 4 episodes in hasn't developed these characters at all...."

Come on man.

Nah I just think you’re overrating HOTD. Look, I want to be wrong about the show. I really do.. but I’m just not? You know

You are hating on a show for not having 8 seasons of GoT character development in 4 episodes bro.

They set up plenty of seeds for them. Maybe wait a season or two to see where it leads before claiming it has none lol.

No, you’re the one who incorrectly pointed out that season 1 was slow until episode 9 and that it is a better show than the first 4 episodes of GoT thus far. I’m purely comparing the first 4 episodes of each series and I’m just saying it has far less character than early GoT, I even gave you plenty of evidence when you challenged me for these developments. And please don’t even get me started on the dialogue. GoT is light years ahead. All the dialogue in HOTD is an absolute snorefest in comparison.

At this point in time, they aren’t on the same level, in any capacity whatsoever. I’m sorry it is what it is. As a diehard fan, and not a casual viewer, I still have high hopes for HOTD, and I believe it can be a very good and successful series. But right now its not really convincing me.

This post was edited by Nwotmik on Sep 13 2022 12:37am

It's not about wokeism or sjw bullshit for me. It's that they treat the audience badly by wasting dialogue on what should be obvious. I dont need an episode-ly reminder that women dont have as much power or respect as men. What's worse is they use the characters to repeatedly convey the same message.

"Rheynerea you arent being considered for the throne cuz ur a woman"
"Rheynerea you need to find a man cuz ur a woman"
"Rheynerea you need to have kids cuz ur a woman"
"Rheynerea you cant go out into the city and bang random dudes cuz ur a woman"
"Rheynerea you dont get taken seriously cuz ur a woman"

If this is how the book reads then ya youre probably right the show isnt for me. Idk maybe she does something cool next episode like killing the dude who snitched on her while he sleeps. Maybe she finally grows the fuck up and starts outsmarting her detractors. Or maybe she continues to do dumb things that would cause everyone to doubt her leadership capacities regardless of her gender.



Off the charts levels of cope.

I am an unashamed salty GoT-hater after getting burned by S8. When I heard about HotD, I was eager to sit back and throw shit at it to affirm my salty hater-ness. I stayed from it until now for that reason. But after not hearing how bad it was, I finally decided to give it a chance. It's a good show. Even a hater like me has to admit it, much as it pains me.

The scope is small enough that it's easy to follow the plot threads, unlike GoT which was taking place all over the world. The sprawling nature of GoT meant that it took time to develop all the characters and was hard to follow for new viewers.

The only glaring issue is that the one character whose "pureblood Valyrian" status is a plot point also happens to essentially be the token black character. It just defies logic.