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Nov 25 2016 02:55pm
Quote (Flameyes @ Nov 25 2016 04:48pm)
After doing some googling and some math, if what the Internet says is true about how fast he goes in the show (~Mach 2) then he accelerates at 27.7 m/s^2 (using the distance of the super sonic punch) which is roughly 8x the acceleration of an average human. His arm would also accelerate at 8x the average amount given that his whole body moves at the same enhanced speed. It's been shown in the show that he can punch while running, so that would be a total acceleration in a punch that is 64x that of the average human.

The average human punches at ~1,000 N, making The Flash punch at around 64,000 N. It takes 4,000 N to break a femur and 2,300 to break a skull.

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Tl;dr: Barry fucking sucks dick

No your maths sucks dick

For that to be right the average force a human punches at would have had to have been measured while running which it clearly wouldn't be. And as you've done it after a run-up his top speed would have to be 8x a human but that's just the acceleration and it will be different.

Here's what you should have done
Find the average speed a human punches at -> x8 (assuming a human punch doesn't reach some max speed before impact barry can surpass) -> +barry's running speed -> divide by average punch speed -> 1/2 + ^2 (half and square it to get impact force from velocity ratio) -> times by average human punching force (zz was a bit more than i thought)


Anyway I think it goes without saying that his body has to work differently to withstand this stuff. But I'll agree this is a problem with the character/concept, he doesn't seem to be particularly tough when getting attacked etc but then runs into stuff/attacks at those speeds.

This post was edited by dakariii on Nov 25 2016 03:00pm
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Nov 25 2016 04:26pm
Quote (dakariii @ Nov 25 2016 02:55pm)
No your maths sucks dick

For that to be right the average force a human punches at would have had to have been measured while running which it clearly wouldn't be. And as you've done it after a run-up his top speed would have to be 8x a human but that's just the acceleration and it will be different.

Here's what you should have done
Find the average speed a human punches at -> x8 (assuming a human punch doesn't reach some max speed before impact barry can surpass) -> +barry's running speed -> divide by average punch speed -> 1/2 + ^2 (half and square it to get impact force from velocity ratio) -> times by average human punching force (zz was a bit more than i thought)


Anyway I think it goes without saying that his body has to work differently to withstand this stuff. But I'll agree this is a problem with the character/concept, he doesn't seem to be particularly tough when getting attacked etc but then runs into stuff/attacks at those speeds.


Speed force

This post was edited by Blah58 on Nov 25 2016 04:26pm
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Nov 26 2016 11:29pm
wally has powers :fume:
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Nov 27 2016 01:25am
I was hoping Wally died...

I guess there is still hope since he died in Flashpoint and he took that old life... So maybe he gets stabbed by Savitar...

I love how they had a surprise speedster as the main villain... At least it is a super OP speedster and not one with only slightly better speed than Barry...

I wonder if they are going to give Wally the ability to give Barry speed. I bet that's how he beats Savitar..
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Nov 27 2016 04:47am
Quote (fuzzy159 @ Nov 27 2016 01:25am)
I was hoping Wally died...

I guess there is still hope since he died in Flashpoint and he took that old life... So maybe he gets stabbed by Savitar...

I love how they had a surprise speedster as the main villain... At least it is a super OP speedster and not one with only slightly better speed than Barry...

I wonder if they are going to give Wally the ability to give Barry speed. I bet that's how he beats Savitar..


Well part of savitars powers are too give and take speed, so it seems that's how Wally got his speed in the show and he may lose it if he goes against savitar(we can hope).
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Speed force

I thought you were half joking or something but you could argue that it offers some sort of protection but only when he's moving fast. Would explain a lot but then maybe he shouldn't stop+ talk all the time in the middle of fights! I guess he has to reason with people, still his reflexes have to match his speeds, once again maybe only when's he's moving! lol ill just give it the benefit of the doubt, better that way
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Nov 27 2016 12:10pm
Quote (dakariii @ Nov 27 2016 09:06am)
I thought you were half joking or something but you could argue that it offers some sort of protection but only when he's moving fast. Would explain a lot but then maybe he shouldn't stop+ talk all the time in the middle of fights! I guess he has to reason with people, still his reflexes have to match his speeds, once again maybe only when's he's moving! lol ill just give it the benefit of the doubt, better that way



It does. The speed force has a sort of force field if you will, around Barry & anybody's he's carrying that protects their organs & what not while traveling/stopping as super speed
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Nov 27 2016 12:19pm
Quote (Blah58 @ Nov 27 2016 06:47am)
Well part of savitars powers are too give and take speed, so it seems that's how Wally got his speed in the show and he may lose it if he goes against savitar(we can hope).


Hopefully he just kills Wally rofl.

This show needs a death of a main character this season and Wally is the easy way out to do it while making fans happy... Well the fans I've talked to anyways...
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Quote (IgoSoHard @ Nov 27 2016 02:10pm)
It does. The speed force has a sort of force field if you will, around Barry & anybody's he's carrying that protects their organs & what not while traveling/stopping as super speed


Was that said in the show?

If Barry was as legit as he was in the comics he would wreck 90% of these villains in less than half the time.
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Nov 30 2016 02:42am
Pretty good cross over. Now the question becomes was that message just so Barry and Oliver wouldn't get whammyed or was there more to it.

Also I really like the supergirl actress, hopefully the show gets better.
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