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Sep 20 2022 10:27am
Quote (BrianPeppers @ Sep 20 2022 11:00am)
Is it normal to hate the movies after reading the books cuz I didnt experience that at all. Certain parts were glossed over or skipped or overemphasized but nothing so egregious that it ruined the movies for me.



Also I'm gonna go ahead and point out that in the whole LOTR triology there isnt a single black person (as far as I noticed). So by extension Sauron rose to power while there were black people and his evil was only fully vanquished once there were no more black people. Lmao.


i'd say 99% of the people who read and loved the books before the movies came out still do love the movies. its a small minority that lets the changes ruin the movies for them.

Quote (RzChaos @ Sep 20 2022 11:10am)
I don't think it is "normal", but there were plenty of reasons to hate it if you were only concerned about loyalty to the books. There were pretty significant character changes to Aragon, Faramir, and Denethor for instance. The removal of Tom Bombadil, Sacking of the Shire, the use of the army of the dead, Frodo sending Sam home...

There were also quite a few minor changes that don't seem to serve much purpose. For instance, in the books Gandalf is pushing for them to go through Moria and Aragon is the one heavily opposed, but in the movies they reversed the roles.


i likewise had some criticisms, especially omitting Tom, but recognized in the longrun that casual fans wouldnt be able to understand why a literal god is just chilling on earth and refuses to do anything to stop Sauron, despite being a really good guy. he's a complex character who is hard to explain to a fresh audience in 15 mins of screentime.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 20 2022 12:27pm)
i'd say 99% of the people who read and loved the books before the movies came out still do love the movies. its a small minority that lets the changes ruin the movies for them.



i likewise had some criticisms, especially omitting Tom, but recognized in the longrun that casual fans wouldnt be able to understand why a literal god is just chilling on earth and refuses to do anything to stop Sauron, despite being a really good guy. he's a complex character who is hard to explain to a fresh audience in 15 mins of screentime.


Agreed. Certainly not saying that the changes were all bad or anything, just that there are plenty of reasons a Tolkien purist may not be happy with them just like they aren't with ROP.
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Sep 20 2022 11:13am
Quote (RzChaos @ Sep 20 2022 12:00pm)
Agreed. Certainly not saying that the changes were all bad or anything, just that there are plenty of reasons a Tolkien purist may not be happy with them just like they aren't with ROP.


Tolkein purists, his idiotic son included who i should mention i thank for compiling the Silmarillion btw, are illogical. Unless their logic follows that any adaptation would ultimately be bad. Even if the series were split up into 10 seasons of 10 episodes each one hour long. Making it a 100 hour masterpiece rather than a 12 or w/e hour long extended edition, they'd have found faults with any change. Even if it was kept 100% the same dialogue, including mind numbingly boring 3 page long Dwarven songs about basically nothing, they'd have pointed to a lamp on a shelf somewhere that doesn't fit right. Hell i remember years back on a board some neckbeard complaining that the narrator for the audioboks wasn't perfectly executing elvish.

LOTR still stands out as the best adaptation yet of any fantasy series. Overall it was very well done and followed what I think Tolkien strove to set as the setting in tone perfectly.
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Sep 20 2022 12:55pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 20 2022 11:13am)
Tolkein purists, his idiotic son included who i should mention i thank for compiling the Silmarillion btw, are illogical. Unless their logic follows that any adaptation would ultimately be bad. Even if the series were split up into 10 seasons of 10 episodes each one hour long. Making it a 100 hour masterpiece rather than a 12 or w/e hour long extended edition, they'd have found faults with any change. Even if it was kept 100% the same dialogue, including mind numbingly boring 3 page long Dwarven songs about basically nothing, they'd have pointed to a lamp on a shelf somewhere that doesn't fit right. Hell i remember years back on a board some neckbeard complaining that the narrator for the audioboks wasn't perfectly executing elvish.

LOTR still stands out as the best adaptation yet of any fantasy series. Overall it was very well done and followed what I think Tolkien strove to set as the setting in tone perfectly.


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Quote (Mondain @ Sep 20 2022 09:11pm)
One of the most glaring issues nobody talks about is how the show attempts to humanize the other non-human races.

They try to humanize the elves, well they're not human they're elves.
again they try to humanize the dwarves, uhh they're dwarves and not humans.

I strongly oppose anthropomorphization in all forms.
I however understand it's natural for a human to do this so they can learn about the world around them.

Primitive writing.


Just the basic story telling is hollow. They go from one thing to another just be cause. Harfoots never walk alone. 2 seconds later Nori's family caravan gets left behind because the rest don't give a shit. As one of many disconnected set of events.
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Quote (thesnipa @ Sep 21 2022 12:04am)
There's very little text of people using magic to fight. im not sure youve read the books.


Thats because there is like 0.01% of them who can use magic to begin with. Just because Tolkien didn't explicitly describe magic use doesn't mean we are to assume Saruman would use MMA instead.
Yes magic is also referred to non traditional things like seeing the future or use of words to enchant or deceive someone and shapeshifting instead of casting fireballs and lightning spells.

My point is Galadriel who already had training in the arts of magic would be utilising her abilities. Maybe some jedi force use or shine a bright light in the enemy face to temporarily blind them would of been much more accurate representation. Instead they dress her up in armor and giver her a sword to bash some skulls in.
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Btw how you get your 10%?


A lapse in judgement which I'm incredibly sorry about.
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Thats because there is like 0.01% of them who can use magic to begin with. Just because Tolkien didn't explicitly describe magic use doesn't mean we are to assume Saruman would use MMA instead.
Yes magic is also referred to non traditional things like seeing the future or use of words to enchant or deceive someone and shapeshifting instead of casting fireballs and lightning spells.

My point is Galadriel who already had training in the arts of magic would be utilising her abilities. Maybe some jedi force use or shine a bright light in the enemy face to temporarily blind them would of been much more accurate representation. Instead they dress her up in armor and giver her a sword to bash some skulls in.


Like when Arwen casts the Water/Horses on the Ringwraiths. Magic, done right. Even though it was Elron/Gandalf in the books. Minimal sin.
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Sep 21 2022 07:09am
Quote (addone @ Sep 20 2022 04:38pm)
Thats because there is like 0.01% of them who can use magic to begin with. Just because Tolkien didn't explicitly describe magic use doesn't mean we are to assume Saruman would use MMA instead.
Yes magic is also referred to non traditional things like seeing the future or use of words to enchant or deceive someone and shapeshifting instead of casting fireballs and lightning spells.

My point is Galadriel who already had training in the arts of magic would be utilising her abilities. Maybe some jedi force use or shine a bright light in the enemy face to temporarily blind them would of been much more accurate representation. Instead they dress her up in armor and giver her a sword to bash some skulls in.


magic casters can use attacks, but then there's a cool down of sorts. she cant just stand there all day blasting light beams. although i wont lie thats a good idea they should use.

would have been better to have her use a bow, as Lothlorien archers are infamous as seen in Two Towers.
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