Quote (Blah58 @ Aug 30 2017 12:48pm)

Honestly I don't know why you dislike it so much. Yes we all knew Danny would come and save them that episode, but that doesn't mean there was no tension. Obviously Jon was going to live but basically everyone else was fair game. It isn't "they(entire group) obviously won't die" it is more like "who in the group won't make it". I don't think you can honestly say you didn't have some sort of "oh shit" or "what the fuck" moment when it looked like tormund was gone.

And I mean you say these "dues ex machina" scenes are bad, but like why are you ignoring the literal seasons of build up that they had? It isn't like they come out of no where, they had years of development and foreshadowing.

You complain that their entire plan was stupid because Cersei is fucking crazy, yet you ignore that literally no one except the audience realizes how fucking crazy she actually is. No one who made the plan knows of her as some crazy irrational mad Queen, only the audience does. The plan actually makes a lot of sense from the perspective of the characters. The living need to stop fighting eachother, do that by showing the real enemy. No one is crazy enough to not see a wight and not want to deal with that threat.

Season 7 finale was probably one of the most tense episodes of the entire series. I was never so stressed out watching a show before. How can you say that the show has lost that element? That episode was amazing.

Quote (remco6 @ Aug 30 2017 12:05pm)

Not all good people are good rulers(advisors)

Quote (Blah58 @ Aug 30 2017 12:17pm)

No he doesn't, he has no idea what his sister has become. He knows she isn't nice, he also knows she is cold and calculating. Not one except the audience sees her as a mad queen, and tbh I think a lot of people are wrong to see her that way. I mean she if definitely headed there but I don't think it has quite happened yet.

Also Tyrion hasn't botched anything. He was outplayed. Telling Danny to not just go burn everything is definitely the correct play.

It's funny, people bitch the writing has gone down hill and shit like that(blame grrm not the showrunners, he has had 7 fucking years to write the current book), people bitch about the action scenes. Then people bitch that Danny hasn't just killed everyone with her dragons.

Quote (StayPositive @ Aug 30 2017 12:35pm)

That's definitely what they're doing with Jon Snow. He's been killed by his own men, he walked right into Ramsey's obvious bait - then lost that battle, and now he's gallivanting the world instead of being a ruler and ordering men to go capture a zombie for him. It's a needed character flaw, but he's a worse king that Rob for sure.



Ahh, its still gotta be logical to be believable though. They spend 7 years telling us how awesome Aegon the Conqueror was (arya worships him and her sisters, etc), then suddenly pacifism is the only way. I'm just saying Tyrion has cost her her iron throne now. No way she makes it now. Rip.

Quote (Blah58 @ Aug 30 2017 01:07pm)

Aegon the conqueror didn't go and burn every major city. He took over westeros relatively peacefully by doing what Danny is trying to do.

Quote (StayPositive @ Aug 30 2017 01:09pm)

What, ya he exactly what he did. Harrenhal.jpeg

Quote (Blah58 @ Aug 30 2017 04:31pm)

I didn't say completely peacefully, I said relatively peacefully. Harrenhal and Kings Landing are drastically different. One is a fortress the other is a fortress city. Aegon didn't kill thousands of innocent people by burning Harrenhal the same way Danny would have to burn King's Landing if she decided to go in that way.

Danny is actually trying to almost exactly mirror aegon. Getting people to bow to her, then using their army rather than her own to take over so she can be seen as someone put in to power by the people rather than the mad ruthless killer daughter of the mad king.

Quote (Kayeto @ Aug 30 2017 03:50pm)

The 'relative peace' you describe was merely a function of everyone submitting to him under threat of him burning their shit down. Harrenhal was Nagasaki. You can say that there was peaceful surrendering after the fact, which is true. But really Aegon's whole conquest was based on the tactic "submit or get burned". Dany is trying to do it differently.

Quote (Blah58 @ Aug 30 2017 06:57pm)

He didn't just go burn every major city.

Quote (Kayeto @ Aug 30 2017 11:08pm)

I guess it would help to put conquests on a scale of 1 to 10...

10- Genghis Khan (kill everyone you see first, then later ask some others if they want to submit)
1- Hitler's 'conquest' of Austria (zero combat)

On that scale, I'd rank Aegon as maybe a 7. Dany is already at least a 3 (she has killed people) and ideally she's trying to end the war as a 3. Would you rank them differently?